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    House rejects spending for birth control
    DAVID A. LIEB
    Associated Press

    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - An attempt to resume state spending on birth control got shot down Wednesday by House members who argued it would have amounted to an endorsement of promiscuous lifestyles.

    Missouri stopped providing money for family planning and certain women's health services when Republicans gained control of both chambers of the Legislature in 2003.

    But a Democratic lawmaker, in a little-noticed committee amendment, had successfully inserted language into the proposed budget for the fiscal year starting July 1 that would have allowed part of the $9.2 million intended for "core public health functions" to go to contraception provided through public health clinics.

    The House voted 96-59 to delete the funding for contraception and infertility treatments after Rep. Susan Phillips told lawmakers that anti-abortion groups such as Missouri Right to Life were opposed to the spending.

    "If you hand out contraception to single women, we're saying promiscuity is OK as a state, and I am not in support of that," Phillips, R-Kansas City, said in an interview.

    Others, including some lawmakers who described themselves as "pro-life," said it was illogical for anti-abortion lawmakers to deny money for contraception to low-income people who use public health clinics.

    "It's going to have the opposite effect of what the intention is, which will be more unwanted pregnancies and more abortions," said Rep. Kate Meiners, D-Kansas City.

    The other alternative is for low-income women to give birth to more children, which is only likely to drive up the state's costs to provide services to them, said Democratic Rep. Melba Curls, also of Kansas City.

    The family planning program that was canceled in 2003 had provided state grants for women's health care services. Anti-abortion lawmakers had battled in court for years to try to prevent that money from going to Planned Parenthood, which also provides abortions.

    This year's provision, inserted by Rep. Margaret Donnelly, D-St. Louis, would have avoided the Planned Parenthood controversy by only providing contraception through public health clinics. It primarily would have affected women who lack private insurance but who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid, which provides contraception under federal rules.

    Donnelly said it was a first step to restoring the services of the deleted program.

    "The average Missourian believes that as part of women's health, they should be offered in a medical clinic a voluntary choice of contraception," Donnelly said.

    While deleting the contraception language, lawmakers left in tact most of the rest of Donnelly's language also directing money to such things as screenings for breast and cervical cancer and sexually transmitted diseases. But they approved Phillips' additional language specifically preventing the money from going toward family planning services or abortion referrals.

    Missouri Right to Life said it was concerned with the contraception language because it was loosely written and could have included emergency contraception - often referred to as the morning-after pill.

    The Missouri Catholic Conference also opposed the birth control funding.

    "State taxpayers should not be required to subsidize activities they believe are immoral or unethical, relating to contraceptives or abortions," said Larry Weber, executive director of the state Catholic Conference.
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    yup.... best way to prevent unwanted pregnancies............ make contraception harder to get..... what a realistically repsonsible idea

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    House rejects spending for birth control
    DAVID A. LIEB
    Associated Press

    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - An attempt to resume state spending on birth control got shot down Wednesday by House members who argued it would have amounted to an endorsement of promiscuous lifestyles.

    Missouri stopped providing money for family planning and certain women's health services when Republicans gained control of both chambers of the Legislature in 2003.

    But a Democratic lawmaker, in a little-noticed committee amendment, had successfully inserted language into the proposed budget for the fiscal year starting July 1 that would have allowed part of the $9.2 million intended for "core public health functions" to go to contraception provided through public health clinics.

    The House voted 96-59 to delete the funding for contraception and infertility treatments after Rep. Susan Phillips told lawmakers that anti-abortion groups such as Missouri Right to Life were opposed to the spending.

    "If you hand out contraception to single women, we're saying promiscuity is OK as a state, and I am not in support of that," Phillips, R-Kansas City, said in an interview.

    Others, including some lawmakers who described themselves as "pro-life," said it was illogical for anti-abortion lawmakers to deny money for contraception to low-income people who use public health clinics.

    "It's going to have the opposite effect of what the intention is, which will be more unwanted pregnancies and more abortions," said Rep. Kate Meiners, D-Kansas City.

    The other alternative is for low-income women to give birth to more children, which is only likely to drive up the state's costs to provide services to them, said Democratic Rep. Melba Curls, also of Kansas City.

    The family planning program that was canceled in 2003 had provided state grants for women's health care services. Anti-abortion lawmakers had battled in court for years to try to prevent that money from going to Planned Parenthood, which also provides abortions.

    This year's provision, inserted by Rep. Margaret Donnelly, D-St. Louis, would have avoided the Planned Parenthood controversy by only providing contraception through public health clinics. It primarily would have affected women who lack private insurance but who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid, which provides contraception under federal rules.

    Donnelly said it was a first step to restoring the services of the deleted program.

    "The average Missourian believes that as part of women's health, they should be offered in a medical clinic a voluntary choice of contraception," Donnelly said.

    While deleting the contraception language, lawmakers left in tact most of the rest of Donnelly's language also directing money to such things as screenings for breast and cervical cancer and sexually transmitted diseases. But they approved Phillips' additional language specifically preventing the money from going toward family planning services or abortion referrals.

    Missouri Right to Life said it was concerned with the contraception language because it was loosely written and could have included emergency contraception - often referred to as the morning-after pill.

    The Missouri Catholic Conference also opposed the birth control funding.

    "State taxpayers should not be required to subsidize activities they believe are immoral or unethical, relating to contraceptives or abortions," said Larry Weber, executive director of the state Catholic Conference.
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    yup.... best way to prevent unwanted pregnancies............ make contraception harder to get..... what a realistically repsonsible idea

    Behavior modification is a proven and well-respected practice.

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    Here's a thought:

    What if there were no such thing as birth control, other than some variant of the rhythm method?

    If there were literally no way to avoid pregnancy apart from math skills and luck, what would the upshot of such a situation be?

    Vid?
    Last edited by j2k4; 03-16-2006 at 08:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4


    Behavior modification is a proven and well-respected practice.
    I never did understand how republicans or conservatives could keep a straight face when claiming to be the "party of limited government and regulation" yet are so obviously true believers in and demanders of social control.

    Hey here's a thought.............can you keep it secret? most of those "sinners" having sex are christians or at least believer
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Edit-

    Here's a thought:

    What if there were no such thing as birth control, other than some variant of the rhythm method?

    If there were literally no way to avoid pregnancy apart from math skills and luck, what would the upshot of such a situation be?

    Vid?


    But we do have contraception so it's an Irrelavant question.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Here's a thought:

    What if there were no such thing as birth control, other than some variant of the rhythm method?

    If there were literally no way to avoid pregnancy apart from math skills and luck, what would the upshot of such a situation be?

    Vid?


    But we do have contraception so it's an Irrelavant question.
    Yes, it is an irrelevant question you won't answer.
    Last edited by j2k4; 03-16-2006 at 10:30 PM.
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    People would have sex less or have more children. Neither sounds appealing to me.


    or... men would have sex with old women, young children, other men, animals or inflatable dolls. While women would turn to lesbianism, bestiality or sex toys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4

    Yes, it is an irrelevant question you won't answer.
    Well I guess there will be more unwanted pregnancies. If in this fantasy situation abortion exists then there will be more abortions. other issues such as poverty will also increase. Possibly more deaths of women due to men not wanting to be fathers. maybe more "shotgun weddings" and unhappy marriages (you gave no societal values)...unhappy "resentful" marriages will lead to more divorce and possibly more domestic violence. Aliens will come down from the distant galaxy of fummuma and will destroy the earth.

    People will still have sex.......... and nobody can stop it.


    Other than that I fail to see any point to answering

    BTW. change your quotes please, that was your question, not mine
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    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilw
    People would have sex less or have more children. Neither sounds appealing to me.


    or... men would have sex with old women, young children, other men, animals or inflatable dolls. While women would turn to lesbianism, bestiality or sex toys.
    Congratulations, Ian; you get it.

    Point is, behaviors re: sex would change.

    Vid thinks this cannot happen, especially the "less" part.

    Over and out.
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    J2 would you like to live in a world without contraception?




    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    Still, remember the good old days when a single woman that got pregnant would be put in an insane asylum............ah those were the days
    Essentially what conservatism is, return things to the good old days (of course without all the bad bits)

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Congratulations, Ian; you get it.

    Point is, behaviors re: sex would change.

    Vid thinks this cannot happen, especially the "less" part.

    Over and out.
    so you think beastiality and homsexuality will increase

    Unfortunately we live in a world of realities and not fantasies.
    contraception exists, it is safe and proven to all but remove the risk of unwanted pregnancy (nothing is 100% but it's as close to......). So your fantasy situation could only be achieved by making birth control illegal.

    So here's some questions to you.

    Will making contraception illegal reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies?

    Will making contraception illegal reduce the amount of abortions?

    or

    Will making contraception more accesable reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies or abortions?




    Social control of moral issues like private sex lives of consenting adults isn't an acceptable solution...... mind you I suppose it depends on if you are the controller or the controlled.

    Still, remember the good old days when a single woman that got pregnant would be put in an insane asylum............ah those were the days
    Last edited by vidcc; 03-16-2006 at 11:12 PM.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    woot first ever time traveller, either that or someone just fooked around with the time settings.

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