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    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

    For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
    The above is an extract from the Declaration of Independence. No wonder you chaps got really pissed off, that's a shocking way to behave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrajag
    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

    For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
    The above is an extract from the Declaration of Independence. No wonder you chaps got really pissed off, that's a shocking way to behave.

    Every time I think I've discerned you're actually attempting to make a point with this post, the thought fizzles.

    Help?
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    For no particularly good reason I felt compelled to read said document. I genuinely have no idea why, it just occured when returning from the shop. Perhaps simply because it is something I have heard about for ages, but have never bothered my arse reading.

    I found that particular section, well to put none too fine a point on it, ironic. So I thought I would post it here.

    It really is that simple, if a tad bizarre, but then whatcha' gonna do. Sometimes one must act on one's whims.

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    Oh.

    Well, Hell, I do that all the time.

    I guess I'd say that I was onto your point(s) in some places, but if you are saying you lifted it without intending every allegation to be precisely on the mark, I wonder why you didn't edit that, and/or include more of them.

    It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to reproduce it in it's entirety here, as it is a one-of-a-kind document.

    Might lead to a greater understanding (as it were), or at least more discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Oh.

    Well, Hell, I do that all the time.

    I guess I'd say that I was onto your point(s) in some places, but if you are saying you lifted it without intending every allegation to be precisely on the mark, I wonder why you didn't edit that, and/or include more of them.

    It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to reproduce it in it's entirety here, as it is a one-of-a-kind document.

    Might lead to a greater understanding (as it were), or at least more discussion.
    Editing is an option, however that would smack of censorship. One realizes that some parts of the section may be relevant to nothing, however it would not be appropriate to remove those parts. I have no justification for that view, it just feels right. It's a sort of context thing.

    With regard to reproducing the whole piece. One suspects that anyone who would spend the 2 or 3 minutes reading it already has. For those who haven't and wish to, it really isn't that difficult to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to reproduce it in it's entirety here, as it is a one-of-a-kind document.
    How nice for you, you must be so proud.

    I'm sure the other countries who fought for their independence from British imperial tyranny agree.

    Well played and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to reproduce it in it's entirety here, as it is a one-of-a-kind document.
    How nice for you, you must be so proud.

    I'm sure the other countries who fought for their independence from British imperial tyranny agree.

    Well played and so forth.
    Oh, right.

    The rest of the provocative world-scorned ex-colonials cum hyper-powers that everyone is so ill-informed about.

    I'll make a list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul
    How nice for you, you must be so proud.

    I'm sure the other countries who fought for their independence from British imperial tyranny agree.

    Well played and so forth.
    Oh, right.

    The rest of the provocative world-scorned ex-colonials cum hyper-powers that everyone is so ill-informed about.

    I'll make a list.
    Please do, if you could manage to also cross reference the institutionalized hypocrisy that would be nice.

    Do you still get your children to regularly recite this rhetoric btw, or have you left that particular practice in an embarrassing past, where it belongs.

    See, if you want to behave in such a manner, cool. Just give up this notion that you are a proud nation of freedom fighterers, removing the colonial oppressors. You really have to be one or t'other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4

    Oh, right.

    The rest of the provocative world-scorned ex-colonials cum hyper-powers that everyone is so ill-informed about.

    I'll make a list.
    Please do, if you could manage to also cross reference the institutionalized hypocrisy that would be nice.

    Do you still get your children to regularly recite this rhetoric btw, or have you left that particular practice in an embarrassing past, where it belongs.

    See, if you want to behave in such a manner, cool. Just give up this notion that you are a proud nation of freedom fighterers, removing the colonial oppressors. You really have to be one or t'other.

    Yes.

    We were nothing but a nation of Hessian insurgents bitching about the King.






    In truth, we are naught but a capitalist (and formerly Christian) society trying but failing to steer away from the socialism that is doing in the like of the U.K., Germany and France.

    We are doomed to be a client state of China and India, as is the rest of the planet.

    We are viewed as a nation of hypocrites, falsely honorable and an awful pox upon the world.

    That we regard our nation as the product of a forced societal evolution partied by men of fortitude and a lucky melding of intellect is revisionist and delusional.

    Well, whatever puts you at the top of the heap, you know?
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    Socialism is "doing us in"?

    Is that what they tell you?

    Here in the UK, I think we are doing ok...

    As for France and Germany, yeah maybe...

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