boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!

[Biggles]

On the other hand the UK might make you think that even a US under Hillary is not that bad.







I may have taken that too far.

I expect I'd prefer North Korea to Hillary.

The prospect of being under her conjures......Oh, I'm gonna puke....

If she manages to get elected President I'll be on your doorstep by January 19th of '09.

Hillary is a tad scary I will grant you.

She reminds me of a teacher I had in primary school who had a similar glint in the eye just before she beat the bejaysus out of you ....

... this may appeal to some on Capitol Hill though

Will order an extra pint of milk if I hear she has won.

[j2k4]

I expect I'd prefer North Korea to Hillary.

The prospect of being under her conjures......Oh, I'm gonna puke....

If she manages to get elected President I'll be on your doorstep by January 19th of '09.

Hillary is a tad scary I will grant you.

She reminds me of a teacher I had in primary school who had a similar glint in the eye just before she beat the bejaysus out of you ....

... this may appeal to some on Capitol Hill though

Will order an extra pint of milk if I hear she has won.

You da man, Les.

[jetje]

too bad all religious people forget the 1st and most important messages in all religions. -= Love peace forgiveness =-
Those are key issues, problem with religions is that the religious leaders alays try to benefit and bend words their way (in fact they're just like politicians. As long as people are not ready, willing or able to make up their own minds there will be trouble.

Too bad almost all religions have their fundamentalists. Little difference between the bible belt christians, orthodox jews and fundamental islamitic.

i like most of the cartoons. My absolute #1 is the cartoon where Mohammed sais 'stop bombing, we ran out of virgins'. It shouldn't bother anyone that mohammed is drawn, it should matter that the cartoon is saying the exact thing every religious or non religious human should mind. Stop killing innocent people and try words to reach peace and understanding...

yes i know... in a perfect world...

[DanB]

I quite liked the irony in this one (if thats the right word to use)

But surely if its on an even keel the US can now protest against Bulgaria?

I have 200 Bulgarian flags going cheep if anyone wants one?

[j2k4]

too bad all religious people forget the 1st and most important messages in all religions. -= Love peace forgiveness =

One of the truly irritating things currently is the tendency to water down relevant commentary by referring to all religions.

We're talking about Islam, JJ, and there shouldn't be a problem excluding other religions from the conversation just now.

No need to practice political correctness, unless the Baptists get crazy...

[Barbarossa]

Islam is supposed to be a peaceful religion.

The Muslim community should be asking itself, "Why does my religion have the perception of being violent and intolerant?"

Instead, they are attacking the publishers of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammed. It really isn't that much of a mystery, guys.

[jetje]

too bad all religious people forget the 1st and most important messages in all religions. -= Love peace forgiveness =

One of the truly irritating things currently is the tendency to water down relevant commentary by referring to all religions.

We're talking about Islam, JJ, and there shouldn't be a problem excluding other religions from the conversation just now.

No need to practice political correctness, unless the Baptists get crazy...

well this debate is about cartoons and the upset of the islamic world and freedom of speech. I recall the upsett in the 'christian' and 'jewish' world when 'The Last Temptation of Christ (1988)'and 'The Passion of the Christ (2004)' came out. No flags were burned but the upset was in a way similar.
Biggest difference is that in most of the so called 'western world' the secularisation is widely spreat. Therefor people tend to ignore a lot of these religious questions or see them in greater aspects. Education is a big influence in helping people to make their own choices. Things that are not represented well in most of the 'islamic' world. They still tend to do what the roman church tried to do in western europe for years. keep the people dumb and let them obey you. It was just after the 2nd world war that secularisation started to change the way people thought about things.

i notice it's very hard to write and think in english on these matters. So i leave it with this. ....

- When Bush sents out his troops with the words "God bless the USA" to 'liberate' the islamic replubics of Iraq and afghanistan he started a modern day 'crusade' wich was all about power and fear about the other unknown religion and their side effects (like fundamentalistic behaviour/terrorists)-

[Santa]

The cartoonist is a naive idiot who should keep his work to toilet walls.
The editor is even more naive and should get his ass raped by a dog.
Scandinavia finally woke up from its numbness of non-ness.(and are probably sadly self impressed)
The press are enjoying the money.

Yes the muslims are forgiving and All that the muslims want is an apology,
how difficult is that.....
I spoke to many and this is all they want.

I too can get provoked over nothing if the time is right.

The sad thing is the reaction towards the cartoon justifies all the naive westerners thoughts that all muslims are violent.
As do these cartoons justify naive muslims idea that the west holds nothing sacred.

and as it stated in one newspaper -
what is worse for islam
the cartoons?
or
the beheading of western hostages in the name of islam?

[j2k4]

well this debate is about cartoons and the upset of the islamic world and freedom of speech. I recall the upsett in the 'christian' and 'jewish' world when 'The Last Temptation of Christ (1988)'and 'The Passion of the Christ (2004)' came out. No flags were burned but the upset was in a way similar.

i notice it's very hard to write and think in english on these matters. So i leave it with this. ....

- When Bush sents out his troops with the words "God bless the USA" to 'liberate' the islamic replubics of Iraq and afghanistan he started a modern day 'crusade' wich was all about power and fear about the other unknown religion and their side effects (like fundamentalistic behaviour/terrorists)-

I wish you'd stay engaged, JJ; no need to leave, especially on a note like that.

I think you'll notice anyone who would say our escapade in Iraq has a religious component is just as likely to also say (depending on utility) that it is "just about oil, and anyone who says different is a liar".

The Last Temptation of Christ and The Passion of the Christ prompted lots of exercise of free speech (which is fine), but I framkly don't recall any talk, much less action, on the point of boycotts, flag/effigy burning, and other violence, threatened or actual.

There is no basis of comparison whatsoever.

[j2k4]

The cartoonist is a naive idiot who should keep his work to toilet walls.
The editor is even more naive and should get his ass raped by a dog.
Scandinavia finally woke up from its numbness of non-ness.(and are probably sadly self impressed)
The press are enjoying the money.

Yes the muslims are forgiving and All that the muslims want is an apology,
how difficult is that.....
I spoke to many and this is all they want.

I too can get provoked over nothing if the time is right.

The sad thing is the reaction towards the cartoon justifies all the naive westerners thoughts that all muslims are violent.
As do these cartoons justify naive muslims idea that the west holds nothing sacred.

and as it stated in one newspaper -
what is worse for islam
the cartoons?
or
the beheading of western hostages in the name of islam?

What about free speech?

The expression you hate is that which most needs protecting.

As to the "cartoonist", I've read and heard that the person(s) responsible for dissemination of the offending artwork were purposeful in doing so, and, apart from the actual cartoons, there was included in the distribution a representation that seems to be especially inciteful...

It is a copy of a copy of a copy (apparently) of a man wearing a faux pig nose and ears, which was taken from news coverage of a truffle-hunting contest somewhere in Europe (France, one would think) where contestants were judged on their having gotten made-up to resemble swine.

It had nothing whatsoever to do with any commentary about Islam, but would have definitely been inflammatory when included with the other items, especially considering it's remove from the provident event, with the attendent image compromised by having been copied several times over.

I agree that whomever distributed these items was malign in intent, but the cartoonist's logic remains a question.