Best final fantasy?

[Busyman]

But I'm serious, do you go all the way through an 80-hour epic then go, "This was shit."

Post 56. RIF.

RIF yourself. You didn't answer the question.

I know in an FPS, fighting game, or whateverthefuck one tends not to finish the game if it is disliked. I have heard remarks regarding a game dogshit or wasting lots of time doing crap tasks. That's what the question was addressing that you didn't answer (I really don't care if you do at this point).

I really shouldn't have to explain this to an adult so I explained it to you.

[Cheese]

Yeah, I'm making my replies turn-based. So what?

[Cheese]

Post 56. RIF.

RIF yourself. You didn't answer the question.

I know in an FPS, fighting game, or whateverthefuck one tends not to finish the game if it is disliked. I have heard remarks regarding a game dogshit or wasting lots of time doing crap tasks. That's what the question was addressing that you didn't answer (I really don't care if you do at this point).

I really shouldn't have to explain this to an adult so I explained it to you.

Post 60. RIF.

[Busyman]

I, no doubt, know that RPGs have their place. Not everyone has the skill for an FPS, fighting game, etc. The slower pace and cinematics are an allure for some.

It's not a lack of skill that makes someone not want to play a game. I can complete any FPS I choose to pick up but I can only play the really good ones like Half Life 2 or FEAR without getting bored. Personal taste. You do understand what that means right? People aren't playing RPG's because they are not good enough to play "proper" games.

Good gracious, you take offense to everything.

For many it is a lack of skill. It does not really require timing nor finger dexterity.

The "no shit" comes in when you try and defend it doesn't apply to everyone.

[Busyman]

Someone asks about a lengthy game and you go on a dumbass diatribe about whateverthefuck.

You should word your questions better then. As it stands it is just an attack, it doesn't leave any room for the fact that people enjoy these games it just condemns them. If you get to ask dumbass questions then I certainly get to reply to them with dumbass diatribes.

The question still stands on it's own and remains valid.

Show me the condemnation in my question. Some have said certain RPGs were dogshit. When was that realized?

I EVEN said, "Just wondering since these games are quite lengthy."

[Cheese]

Some have said certain RPGs were dogshit. When was that realized?

Congratulations, you asked the question properly this time.

So to answer. I don't think I've ever completed a game I didn't like from any genre. But with respect to RPG games I've completed some of them and thought, "Gee, the end to this story sucks balls". That's mostly the Japanese ones to be honest, you expect all the loose ends of the confusing plot and storyline to be tied up but it never is. I'm guessing the story doesn't translate. That's not to say I didn't enjoy the game itself just that the story ending was anti-climatic.

Though to be fair the endings for a lot of computer games suck, Half Life 2 springs to mind.

[GepperRankins]

Erm, you you do realise that people enjoy different types of games from other people? I mean, these types of games are huge in Japan for instance but less successful (but still played by a hardcore minority) in places like USA (sidenote:maybe it's your unconcious hatred of anything un-Amercian that leads you to repeatedly state your dislike of these games...?). Different people want different things from their games. Some would complain that the combat in games like Bard's Tale or Morrowind soon becomes highly repetive.

I really shouldn't have to be explaining this concept to an adult.

..and no one asked you to. ...especially since it had nothing to do with my question. Here we also go again with the American shit. Do you have an inferiority complex or something?

But I'm serious, do you go all the way through an 80-hour epic then go, "This was shit."

I, no doubt, know that RPGs have their place. Not everyone has the skill for an FPS, fighting game, etc. The slower pace and cinematics are an allure for some.

Someone asks about a lengthy game and you go on a dumbass diatribe about whateverthefuck.

What's funny is I was going to get that FF game that someone said plays like KOTOR.

a lot of people don't go "this was shit"

[3RA1N1AC]

Though to be fair the endings for a lot of computer games suck, Half Life 2 springs to mind.

i find the narrative endings to most videogames, regardless of genre or platform, quite unsatisfying. i love playing games, i really do. dislike playing shoddy ones, take delight in the few that strike the right chord for me... just like anyone else. but i feel videogames are (in nearly every instance) narratively very immature. sometimes makes me think i'd rather just have games with no semblance of a plot whatsoever (Tetris, Pac-Man, Pole Position) rather than all this stuff that's got the pretense of dramatic maturity ("it's the Gone With The Wind... of videogames! it's the War & Peace... of videogames!") but in reality has no greater dramatic aspirations than a typical episode of Miami Vice (see: GTA Vice City) or an above-average Steven Seagal movie (see: Metal Gear Solid 2). that's relatively good, for a videogame, but a bit pathetic when considered as part of all narrative media.

i mean, the fact that the videogame industry consistently adapts characters & stories from other media's most disposable garbage (Van Helsing: The Movie: The Game, Dukes Of Hazzard: The TV Show: The Movie: The Game, Starsky & Hutch: The TV Show: The Movie: The Game, Gundam-followed-by-whatever-numbers-and-acronyms) says a lot to me about the end to which videogame developers are pursuing the whole narrative/storytelling element. may as well not pursue it at all, if that's where they intend to take it. the medium itself has potential, but the game developers seem more interested in falsely claiming that games have already reached the same maturity as much older media (drama, painting, literature, music) than in actually putting the effort & talent into getting there.

i love a good videogame, but yeah. it's pretty sad, to think about how huge the videogame business is and how much potential is wasted while it's content to feed exclusively on the sort of material that comes out of pop-culture's anus.

[Cheese]

a lot of people don't go "this was shit"

Course they do, in fact this is a common saying amongst the dozens of pasty faced geek kids who just spent 1625 hours completing Final Oxymoron 26:

"Gee, this game was dogshit. I was I had the mad skillz like Busyman and could play a proper game."

[Cheese]

Though to be fair the endings for a lot of computer games suck, Half Life 2 springs to mind.

i find the narrative endings to most videogames, regardless of genre or platform, quite unsatisfying. i love playing games, i really do. dislike playing shoddy ones, take delight in the few that strike the right chord for me... just like anyone else. but i feel videogames are (in nearly every instance) narratively very immature. sometimes makes me think i'd rather just have games with no semblance of a plot whatsoever (Tetris, Pac-Man, Pole Position) rather than all this stuff that's got the pretense of dramatic maturity ("it's the Gone With The Wind... of videogames! it's the War & Peace... of videogames!") but in reality has no greater dramatic aspirations than a typical episode of Miami Vice (see: GTA Vice City) or an above-average Steven Seagal movie (see: Metal Gear Solid 2). that's relatively good, for a videogame, but a bit pathetic when considered as part of all narrative media.

i mean, the fact that the videogame industry insists on adapting material near-exclusively from other media's most disposable garbage (Van Helsing: The Movie: The Game, Dukes Of Hazzard: The TV Show: The Movie: The Game, Starsky & Hutch: The TV Show: The Movie: The Game, Gundam-followed-by-whatever-numbers-and-acronyms) says a lot to me about the end to which videogame developers are pursuing the whole narrative/storytelling element. may as well not pursue it at all, if that's where they intend to take it. the medium itself has potential, but the game developers seem more interested in falsely claiming that games have already reached the same maturity as much older media (drama, painting, literature, music) than in actually putting the effort & talent into getting there.

i love a good videogame, but yeah. it's pretty sad, to think about how huge the videogame business is and how much potential is wasted while it's content to feed exclusively on the sort of material that comes out of pop-culture's anus.

Good post. I do chuckle when I read "good storyline" in a game review or a forum post. Really they should qualify it with " - for a computer game". It's no coincidence that games made into movies suck, it's because the games themselves are derivative of movie cliches in the first place.