Well, we're screwed.

[j2k4]

Conservatives are your opposition

The pro-Kyoto environmentalists are much more media-savvy and focused than any pro-industry types, possibly because they have no jobs apart from being anti-industry and anti-U.S.

Yeah right

But again, this is an economic arguement to deny mans influence on global warming and has nothing to do with the science.

BTW nice touch implying that those who care about the enviroment are "anti industry" they are not anti industry, they are against unchecked polution. and "anti U.S."??? oh yes that's it...they just hate us...the enviroment has nothing to do with it.

Let's get this straight:

I myself am pro-environment, but not indiscriminately or irresponsibly so, as you seem to be, vid.

I do not feel that knuckling under to Kyoto is choosing between being pro-environment or pro-business/industry;

I am against "unchecked pollution", and you know what?

Unchecked pollution is not "the norm", nor is it "rampant", "endemic" , or any other adjective you care to apply to U.S. industry.

I'll believe you're barking up the right tree when you start a thread about Chinese or Indian pollution and what should be done about that.

Hell, you're close enough to California to skip on over there and picket for hybrid cars, alternative fuels, car-pooling, mass transit and all that stuff...be warned, however:

There are Los Angelinos who do not want anything done about their smog problem because cleaning it up would deprive them of their beautiful sunsets.

[vidcc]

Let's get this straight:

I myself am pro-environment, but not indiscriminately or irresponsibly so, as you seem to be, vid.

indiscriminately or irresponsibly

I do not feel that knuckling under to Kyoto is choosing between being pro-environment or pro-business/industry;

I am against "unchecked pollution", and you know what?

Unchecked pollution is not "the norm", nor is it "rampant", "endemic" , or any other adjective you care to apply to U.S. industry.

relaxing of controls is at the moment though, and industry is trying to get those controls loosened even more, republican lawmakers, moist and gooey eyed are willing minions.... I'm sure "market forces" will solve the problem

I'll believe you're barking up the right tree when you start a thread about Chinese or Indian pollution and what should be done about that.

I agree that all countries should be cutting down on emissions and none given a pass for economic developement reasons.

Just to put that arguement to bed

Hell, you're close enough to California to skip on over there and picket for hybrid cars, alternative fuels, car-pooling, mass transit and all that stuff...be warned, however:

There are Los Angelinos who do not want anything done about their smog problem because cleaning it up would deprive them of their beautiful sunsets.

next you'll be telling me to move to mars if I am so against earth polution.

[j2k4]

relaxing of controls is at the moment though, and industry is trying to get those controls loosened even more, republican lawmakers, moist and gooey eyed are willing minions.... I'm sure "market forces" will solve the problem

I'll believe you're barking up the right tree when you start a thread about Chinese or Indian pollution and what should be done about that.

I agree that all countries should be cutting down on emissions and none given a pass for economic developement reasons.

Just to put that arguement to bed

Hell, you're close enough to California to skip on over there and picket for hybrid cars, alternative fuels, car-pooling, mass transit and all that stuff...be warned, however:

There are Los Angelinos who do not want anything done about their smog problem because cleaning it up would deprive them of their beautiful sunsets.

next you'll be telling me to move to mars if I am so against earth polution.

Have you given it any thought?