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[Biggles]

Englishmen born in Wales, like manker, haven't

Ouch - I can feel the pain from here.

[JPaul]

Les,

What's your take on

Most Welsh speakers I know (and every Scottish and Irish person I've met) hate the establishment and really don't want anything to do with it, or its monarchy (but that's another story).

[manker]

It's pish, my Gran speaks Welsh and she absolutely adores the Queen and the Royal family.

I realise this is only anecdotal evidence but it's better than a sweeping generalisation


Edit: thinking about it, she is the only Welsh speaking person I know.

[JPaul]

It's pish, my Gran speaks Welsh and she absolutely adores the Queen and the Royal family.

I realise this is only anecdotal evidence but it's better than a sweeping generalisation


Edit: thinking about it, she is the only Welsh speaking person I know.

So it would be fair to say that you, as an independant witness, have spoken to every Welsh speaker you know and to a nan they are unionists and monarchists.

That seems pretty conclusive to me.

[manker]

It's pish, my Gran speaks Welsh and she absolutely adores the Queen and the Royal family.

I realise this is only anecdotal evidence but it's better than a sweeping generalisation


Edit: thinking about it, she is the only Welsh speaking person I know.

So it would be fair to say that you, as an independant witness, have spoken to every Welsh speaker you know and to a nan they are unionists and monarchists.

That seems pretty conclusive to me.

That's about the size of it.

There was this ginger kid in junior school who had a stutter, but could speak Welsh - I haven't actually managed to gauge his opinion on this issue but then I've not spoken to him for nigh on twenty years.

So I don't really know him anyhow.

[manker]

Oh, there is this mad bloke from down the road that used to shout at us as kids, in a language we thought was devil-speak.

Turns out, it was Welsh - I've not asked him either

[JPaul]

So it would be fair to say that you, as an independant witness, have spoken to every Welsh speaker you know and to a nan they are unionists and monarchists.

That seems pretty conclusive to me.

That's about the size of it.

There was this ginger kid in junior school who had a stutter, but could speak Welsh - I haven't actually managed to gauge his opinion on this issue but then I've not spoken to him for nigh on twenty years.

So I don't really know him anyhow.

Did he stammer when speaking Welsh.

I s'pose it would be really hard for you to tell.

[Biggles]

I would guess that there are probably more Scots, Welsh and Irish that are anti-establishment in the traditional sense that Conservatives, Queen and Church of England were seen as inter-changeable. The Labour movement was non-conformist and luke warm (at best) to Land and Privilege. So there is a tradition there, especially as the strongest support for the Labour movement came from Wales and Scotland.

However, the original statement is too strong. For every Keir Hardy there is a Donald Findlay. Nevertheless having worked in the south of England for a few years it would be fair to say that we non-Angles are a tad more Bolshie and far less Royalist (nothwithstanding the Beast of Bolsover). The Golden Jubilee went pretty much unnoticed up here but every second house down south seemed to be decked in bunting. The main error of the statement was that it suggested a degree of passion for republicanism. The average Scot is not for royalty or republicanism - he is mainly for a pint.

[JPaul]

Oh, there is this mad bloke from down the road that used to shout at us as kids, in a language we thought was devil-speak.

Turns out, it was Welsh - I've not asked him either

Maybe he was inviting you in for a suite.

[JPaul]

I would guess that there are probably more Scots, Welsh and Irish that are anti-establishment in the traditional sense that Conservatives, Queen and Church of England were seen as inter-changeable. The Labour movement was non-conformist and luke warm (at best) to Land and Privilege. So there is a tradition there, especially as the strongest support for the Labour movement came from Wales and Scotland.

However, the original statement is too strong. For every Keir Hardy there is a Donald Findlay. Nevertheless having worked in the south of England for a few years it would be fair to say that we non-Angles are a tad more Bolshie and far less Royalist (nothwithstanding the Beast of Bolsover). The Golden Jubilee went pretty much unnoticed up here but every second house down south seemed to be decked in bunting. The main error of the statement was that it suggested a degree of passion for republicanism. The average Scot is not for royalty or republicanism - he is mainly for a pint.