The Failure of Feminism?

[Santa]

When you turn on the tv or open a magazine i still see the same sexist sterotypes being played off
I don't know when feminism was unearthed but it seems to make little progress than outside of the home.
Last night i turn on tv and switch from CNN showing usaian oscars and asking the chikas where the got their cleavage dresses and flipped over to some reality gogo thing about girls getting into sportsil0strated.
Around me men still rule the basics, the entrepeneurs who make it still are men, the womenare yes doing so much beeter beeter, aand yes they are more intelligent, more knowledgable and should in utopian dreams rule the world but when it comes to making impulsive decisions which count - they fail
objectivity?

thread inspired from this article - http://chronicle.com/temp/email2.php...tfR4qnjmpj85xm

[maebach]

I think (my opinion), that they dont try hard enough to change their image. Or, if they are trying, they're not being heard. I mean, honestly, when watching survivior or fear factor, I'm staring the the breasts when they wear bikinis and shit.

[Santa]

feminism is killed by easy money? (pose)
we all try in life to get through the work, bills, taxes etc
money kills alot of principles

[maebach]

feminism is killed by easy money? (pose)
we all try in life to get through the work, bills, taxes etc
money kills alot of principles

I didn't mean that that money is killing them( it might be?), I'm trying to explain that the first thing I see in a women is breasts. I dont know why. But, I do believe that they shouldn't be treated like that. I cant explain myself. It's hard to exlpain.

[GepperRankins]

feminism died out in the last generation cause the feminists refused to get on their knees for the men

[Santa]

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I n s t i n c t




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hungre, lust,need
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buddishm
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taxevasion
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parlementary fears of releaving yourself
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western sales techniques
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ads

in real life i see little glimpses of the sexist, nor of dominant - neither of the contrary
but
in real life she knows more and is more aware than the man, yet the man knows how to take control, instantly
you cant beat that
but it would require men to aquire a new digestive system to understand the concept of swallowing spite.
I apologise for focusing on the negative, but presently i am taking care of a 6 month year old baby,and show him life, while she goes off to work in suit and efficiency and all at 7 am and questions my achievements after a days work with our little baby.
I love the baby
I love her

i will do anything for both

[j2k4]

Zed, what you describe isn't feminism, it's a female in pants.

The alternative is you hire day-care (don't you dare!) or she stays with the kid and you work.

Tell her to mind her Ps and Qs or you'll kick her in the balls.

Maybe you could exercise your rights by taking the kid and filing for child support...like the girls do.

[Biggles]

I don't think feminism has failed so much as evolved. The early proto-type involved hairy armpits and dungarees and in many respects was a distraction from genuine issues of the vote, equal pay, maternity rights, sexism in the work place, harrassment, property rights etc., etc.,

The world has moved on a long way from a wife being little more than a chattel and any property she owned becoming her husbands. In less than 100 years an awful lot has changed and thankfully it doesn't particularly need to involve dungarees.

Sex and the use of sex to sell products is unlikely to change as it panders to fairly primal instincts. It is route one for the advertisers (to borrow from football). However, just compare modern adverts to ones from the 40s 50s and 60s. These might demonstrate how far things have moved on. I guarantee they will make you cringe.

What is far more prevalent today is sexuality in advertising rather than pure sexist nonsense. Some would argue that this is more insidious - perhaps so, it is certainly more demanding. One could potentially be the perfect housewife if one bought Fairy - it is bloody sight harder to look like Halle Berry.

Of course modern feminists point out that there are still inequalities of opportunity. How one looks is also still a significant factor. However, this is something that is becoming increasingly important to males too. In that sense a degree of equality is developing - although it may be equality of misery.

In summary, Feminism is a work in progress and moves by small degrees rather than big leaps.

[j2k4]

I don't think feminism has failed so much as evolved. The early proto-type involved hairy armpits and dungarees and in many respects was a distraction from genuine issues of the vote, equal pay, maternity rights, sexism in the work place, harrassment, property rights etc., etc.,

The world has moved on a long way from a wife being little more than a chattel and any property she owned becoming her husbands. In less than 100 years an awful lot has changed and thankfully it doesn't particularly need to involve dungarees.

Sex and the use of sex to sell products is unlikely to change as it panders to fairly primal instincts. It is route one for the advertisers (to borrow from football). However, just compare modern adverts to ones from the 40s 50s and 60s. These might demonstrate how far things have moved on. I guarantee they will make you cringe.

What is far more prevalent today is sexuality in advertising rather than pure sexist nonsense. Some would argue that this is more insidious - perhaps so, it is certainly more demanding. One could potentially be the perfect housewife if one bought Fairy - it is bloody sight harder to look like Halle Berry.

Of course modern feminists point out that there are still inequalities of opportunity. How one looks is also still a significant factor. However, this is something that is becoming increasingly important to males too. In that sense a degree of equality is developing - although it may be equality of misery.

In summary, Feminism is a work in progress and moves by small degrees rather than big leaps.

So, feminism is in it's, um...infancy, so to speak?

[vidcc]

Just how conservatives like their women to act.



edit: i'll get the video link sorted

edit 2: can't get a direct link working, here is the address

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/09.html

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Han...rine-Booty.wmv type into media player

How does this play with your "stereotype" theory kev ?

I wonder what the "family values" brigade made of it