South Dakota Bans Abortion..Oh Wait

[Busyman]

Where's the contradiction? I don't think there is one pro choice or pro life stance.

While I don't agree with the stance you laid out, it make more sense than your stance. The basic point of your stance is inconsistent. You aim is to protect the unborn 'cause it's a person yet would kill it either due to YOUR perceived inconvenience or ignorance of there being a killing when it has been proven that certain medicine does kill.

I assumed you would tumble to my reference to the "guilty" as the perpetrator of the rape or incest.

Back to my personal beliefs, then-

All life is precious, and all pregnant women should bear their children, even unto death.

However, reality intrudes, as well you know.

I trust that is satisfactory.

How about you?

Eh? You said life is precious yet condone killing a child due to rape or incest and the possible killing with medication through no fault of the child.

That makes no sense, j2.

[Ava Estelle]

Rock on South Dakota!

Babies 1, Murderers 0.

@ Busyman: Get a womb or get a life.

You don't read well, Billy.

Fed > State

Oh and Billy, suck ass.

The name's Nancy actually, and if sucking your ass, wherever it is situated, would save a single life, I would gladly oblige.

[Busyman]

You don't read well, Billy.

Fed > State

Oh and Billy, suck ass.

The name's Nancy actually, and if sucking your ass, wherever it is situated, would save a single life, I would gladly oblige.

Whatever, Billy.

[j2k4]

I assumed you would tumble to my reference to the "guilty" as the perpetrator of the rape or incest.

Back to my personal beliefs, then-

All life is precious, and all pregnant women should bear their children, even unto death.

However, reality intrudes, as well you know.

I trust that is satisfactory.

How about you?

Eh? You said life is precious yet condone killing a child due to rape or incest and the possible killing with medication through no fault of the child.

That makes no sense, j2.

On the other hand, turning a blind eye to abortion does?

Or excusing it by not defining it as killing?

You've witnessed how abortion can now be performed on a half-born baby...what's next, killing them in the crib, by way of continually expanding women's rights?

[Busyman]

Eh? You said life is precious yet condone killing a child due to rape or incest and the possible killing with medication through no fault of the child.

That makes no sense, j2.

On the other hand, turning a blind eye to abortion does?

Or excusing it by not defining it as killing?

You've witnessed how abortion can now be performed on a half-born baby...what's next, killing them in the crib, by way of continually expanding women's rights?

Then focus on banning late-term abortions......

[ilw]

Then focus on banning late-term abortions......

I agree, but it just shifts the argument to one of 'how late is late?' and i don't think there is a good answer to that.


Just out of interest j2 & jpaul, as the resident pro-lifers (or the closest thing we have) where do you stand on fertility clinics? I'm betting that neither of you having any big objection to them, despite the contradictions this presents.

[JPaul]

Then focus on banning late-term abortions......

I agree, but it just shifts the argument to one of 'how late is late?' and i don't think there is a good answer to that.


Just out of interest j2 & jpaul, as the resident pro-lifers (or the closest thing we have) where do you stand on fertility clinics? I'm betting that neither of you having any big objection to them, despite the contradictions this presents.

You a betting man then, do you lose a lot.

It is my belief that a human being is a human being from the moment of conception. As such they have the human rights of every other human being. I do not believe that the mother or father has the right to take that life, because they will not be able to provide properly (in their opinion) for the child.

As such I consider it wrong to fertilize eggs then throw them away. Particularly if the only justification for it is a better hit rate.

Re your two year old v fertilized eggs scenario, I find it ridiculous. The two year old would be saved every time. For a myriad of reasons.

[j2k4]

I agree, but it just shifts the argument to one of 'how late is late?' and i don't think there is a good answer to that.


Just out of interest j2 & jpaul, as the resident pro-lifers (or the closest thing we have) where do you stand on fertility clinics? I'm betting that neither of you having any big objection to them, despite the contradictions this presents.

You a betting man then, do you lose a lot.

It is my belief that a human being is a human being from the moment of conception. As such they have the human rights of every other human being. I do not believe that the mother or father has the right to take that life, because they will not be able to provide properly (in their opinion) for the child.

As such I consider it wrong to fertilize eggs then throw them away. Particularly if the only justification for it is a better hit rate.

Re your two year old v fertilized eggs scenario, I find it ridiculous. The two year old would be saved every time. For a myriad of reasons.

What you said.

As to JPaul and myself, I am relatively confident that our views parallel each other closely where this issue pops up, and we both are possessed of a tolerance many in the pro-"choice" crowd lack.

We hold our views firmly, will argue unto death the rightness of our convictions, and, although we may judge, we condemn no one for believing differently.

I cannot dismiss others so easily.

The world embraces us all.

[Busyman]

What you said.

Hmm I forgot about fertility clinics. Your beliefs still contradict a child's right to life even in a rape, incest, or "unproven gunshot in the dark".

It's like saying "moment of conception...oh wait".

[j2k4]

What you said.

Hmm I forgot about fertility clinics. Your beliefs still contradict a child's right to life even in a rape, incest, or "unproven gunshot in the dark".

It's like saying "moment of conception...oh wait".

I notice your own specific views are conspicuously missing.

Correct this oversight and we can see about you, then.