South Dakota Bans Abortion..Oh Wait

[Busyman]

Hmm I forgot about fertility clinics. Your beliefs still contradict a child's right to life even in a rape, incest, or "unproven gunshot in the dark".

It's like saying "moment of conception...oh wait".

I notice your own specific views are conspicuously missing.

Correct this oversight and we can see about you, then.

Oh I'm pro-choice. Ya heard.

Rape, incest, her own life threatened, unwanted child, morning after pill...those cases of abortion are the right of the mother. She will have to deal with any mental or physical consequences.

[JPaul]

What you said.

Hmm I forgot about fertility clinics. Your beliefs still contradict a child's right to life even in a rape, incest, or "unproven gunshot in the dark".

It's like saying "moment of conception...oh wait".

No, the child's right to life is paramount.

However I can see instances where there is an argument to take that right away, much as I disagree with the argument I can see why people would make it. As you suggest, rape may be one such example.

That is to make the distinction between such a case and for example abortion as a matter of convenience (career /lifestyle), or cosmetics.

I can also see an examples where it is the better of two choices. If the mother will die if she carries on with the pregnancy, perhaps leaving other children and family behind.

Unfortunately it is not the straightforward issue you suggest.

[j2k4]

I notice your own specific views are conspicuously missing.

Correct this oversight and we can see about you, then.

Oh I'm pro-choice. Ya heard.

Rape, incest, her own life threatened, unwanted child, morning after pill...those cases of abortion are the right of the mother. She will have to deal with any mental or physical consequences.

Late-term abortion; the works, I'm sure.

Should the man have a similar right to unilaterally withdraw from the situation once a prospective pregnancy becomes hard fact?

[Busyman]

Oh I'm pro-choice. Ya heard.

Rape, incest, her own life threatened, unwanted child, morning after pill...those cases of abortion are the right of the mother. She will have to deal with any mental or physical consequences.

Late-term abortion; the works, I'm sure.

Should the man have a similar right to unilaterally withdraw from the situation once a prospective pregnancy becomes hard fact?

Define late-term abortion.

What's "the works"?

What's the difference between a man withdrawing from the situation and a man unilaterally withdrawing from the situtation?

What's the difference between a pregnancy and a prospective pregnancy?

[j2k4]

Late-term abortion; the works, I'm sure.

Should the man have a similar right to unilaterally withdraw from the situation once a prospective pregnancy becomes hard fact?

Define late-term abortion.

Partial-birth abortion.

What's "the works"?

Anything goes, in any and every circumstance; the decision belonging solely to the woman.

What's the difference between a man withdrawing from the situation and a man unilaterally withdrawing from the situtation?

As when a woman procures an abortion absent consultation with the father.

What's the difference between a pregnancy and a prospective pregnancy?

When a pregnancy has been medically confirmed, as opposed to merely suspected or stated.

[Busyman]

Define late-term abortion.

Partial-birth abortion.

PBA is a made up term referring to a procedure. However you originally had "term". I don't know much about the procedure.

What's "the works"?

Anything goes, in any and every circumstance; the decision belonging solely to the woman.

You are too vague. Tell me what "goes".

What's the difference between a man withdrawing from the situation and a man unilaterally withdrawing from the situtation?

As when a woman procures an abortion absent consultation with the father.

Then your original question makes no sense. First off, you haven't explained the difference in his withdrawal versus his unilateral withdrawal. Second, what right does he have since he bears no burden in the actual carrying of the baby and it's birth? He of course has a domestic say but nothing should be legal.

What's the difference between a pregnancy and a prospective pregnancy?

When a pregnancy has been medically confirmed, as opposed to merely suspected or stated.

Oh ok, when she's pregnant then.

Either way, the answer is above in red.

Btw, italicizing sentences within a quote is unnecessary. The quote tags do it for you.

[j2k4]

When a pregnancy has been medically confirmed, as opposed to merely suspected or stated.

Oh ok, when she's pregnant then.

Either way, the answer is above in red.

Btw, italicizing sentences within a quote is unnecessary. The quote tags do it for you.

When the baby "crowns", it is being born, is it not?

At this point, the attending physician takes a sharp instrument (usually scissors) and plunges it through the soft aperture on top of the baby's head, and rummages around (much as you would, if you were trying with a knife to scrounge from a nearly empty jar of peanut butter), causing massive and fatal injury to the infant's brain.

That is what "PBA" is; the 'made-up procedure you know nothing of, apart from it's acronym.

As to your question about the "unilateral withdrawal" of the father from the event of a pregnancy:

I intended you to conclude the father copped out with notification to the mother, but without consultation as to her wishes; hence my use of the word, unilateral.

If I had used both terms ("withdrawal" as well as "unilateral withdrawal"), I might consider I owe you an explanation; however, I used the single formulation, which I'll continue with.

Back to the point:

The woman's decision to bear the child is hers alone, so you say.

Now, you, as a black man, and as an advocate for "choice", must purchase the idea of unqualified equality, correct?

Do you, as a male, abdicate the entire decision for yourself as well as the rest of the male population?

Oh, hell-here, read it yourself-

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...603090385/1005

[Busyman]

Oh ok, when she's pregnant then.

Either way, the answer is above in red.

Btw, italicizing sentences within a quote is unnecessary. The quote tags do it for you.

When the baby "crowns", it is being born, is it not?

At this point, the attending physician takes a sharp instrument (usually scissors) and plunges it through the soft aperture on top of the baby's head, and rummages around (much as you would, if you were trying with a knife to scrounge from a nearly empty jar of peanut butter), causing massive and fatal injury to the infant's brain.

That is what "PBA" is; the 'made-up procedure you know nothing of, apart from it's acronym.

Sounds icky. At what stage of pregnancy is the procedure performed?

As to your question about the "unilateral withdrawal" of the father from the event of a pregnancy:

I intended you to conclude the father copped out with notification to the mother, but without consultation as to her wishes; hence my use of the word, unilateral.

If I had used both terms ("withdrawal" as well as "unilateral withdrawal"), I might consider I owe you an explanation; however, I used the single formulation, which I'll continue with.

Unilateral still makes no sense. He either withdraws or not.

Back to the point:

The woman's decision to bear the child is hers alone, so you say.

Now, you, as a black man, and as an advocate for "choice", must purchase the idea of unqualified equality, correct?

Do you, as a male, abdicate the entire decision for yourself as well as the rest of the male population?

Oh, hell-here, read it yourself-

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...603090385/1005

I just read the title and nothing else. He fucked her, he bears financial responsibility...how much is another story. Wear a condom.

[j2k4]

[QUOTE=Busyman]

When the baby "crowns", it is being born, is it not?

At this point, the attending physician takes a sharp instrument (usually scissors) and plunges it through the soft aperture on top of the baby's head, and rummages around (much as you would, if you were trying with a knife to scrounge from a nearly empty jar of peanut butter), causing massive and fatal injury to the infant's brain.

That is what "PBA" is; the 'made-up procedure you know nothing of, apart from it's acronym.

Sounds icky. At what stage of pregnancy is the procedure performed?

And that last sentence demonstrates the intellectual engagement you normally practice, I see...

I just read the title and nothing else. He fucked her, he bears financial responsibility...how much is another story. Wear a condom.

She fucked him, too, right?

But she continues to fuck him, and he's decided (late, as women often do), he wants to say "NO".

That fits the definition of rape, seems to me...

[Busyman]

She fucked him, too, right?

But she continues to fuck him, and he's decided (late, as women often do), he wants to say "NO".

That fits the definition of rape, seems to me...

Nah the rape, in some cases, is how much he has to pay.

Last time I checked, the entire adult male populace knew that sex can produce babies and that people govern their own bodies.

Sounds icky. At what stage of pregnancy is the procedure performed?

And that last sentence demonstrates the intellectual engagement you normally practice, I see...

At what stage of pregnancy is the procedure performed...oic.