South Dakota Bans Abortion..Oh Wait

[vidcc]

No, I don't think I have the right to make such decisions, but society surely does.

Yes you do, you are part of this "society" and society is made up of individuals each expressing their opinion. It doesn't matter if it's done by group or individual, you think you have the right to make that choice. Now I am fine with society expressing an opinion on private matters, I am not fine with society getting involved in private matters. You either think the line extends into private matters and/or you don't think that the issue is a private matter.

These "individuals" you speak of occasionally seek to form a united entity for the purpose of expressing societal concerns.

Up to a limit there is and should be a right to dictate things that go on in the public square. I cannot accept that this should extend to private affairs which are and should be nobody elses business.

[Busyman™]

How do you account for it?

Social mores are different in South Dakota than in California.

Social influence is effective.

Vid denies society's entree (influence-wise) in such matters; what's more, he denies it's ability to effect any change, whatsoever.

Those numbers he dismisses give lie to all that, you see.

I agree with your social reference. You also must add population density.

[Skweeky1]

I don't know about the American stance, but in Britain, there is no "unfettered access". Every woman stepping up to the plate, so to speak, has to go through three doctors and a councillor before she makes a decision, and even then it may be denyed to her. Don't think that decision is Ever taken lightly. The younger a woman is, the more questions are asked, and the more provisions are made for her aftercare, both physical and mental. There are only two possible abortion procedures, either surgical, where the operation is performed ,or medical, where the woman is given a pill for the procedure to happen at home, followed by a check up, if under 12 weeks. This is legal and accountable, both to the woman herself, and to the medical staff. Where's the "shroud of non-accountability."?

You might want to get your facts right Carcinus.
It's nowhere near that in Britain at the moment.

I had an abortion in Britain a couple of years ago and this is what I got:

Told my GP about it, he asked me what the reason was I wanted an abortion.
(about a 10sec conversation)
Got appointment in hospital where bloodpressure etc got taken and echo, no questions asked.
Went into hospital two days later to take abortion pill, nurse who gave it to me simply said that there was no way back after taking the pill and was sent home without any further information.
Went back to hospital 2 days later to have actual procedure, no explanation about what was about to happen whatsoever. Spent 8 hours in hospital and got sent home.
No after care, no conversation, no counsillor. Nothing.

I was 13 weeks pregnant which means they induce early labour, you're allowed to do that up until 20 weeks. Up until 12 weeks you do indeed just get sent home or they can use 'suction'


It's a terrible system they use in Britain.
If anyone would have bothered to talk to me for only 5 minutes it would have been clear I was in no position to take such a decision. ( was more or less forced into it by boyfriend at the time...)
Unfortunately, it's a decision I'll always regret and I still really haven't come to terms with.

The South Dakota thing is extreme, but by God, the way it works in Britain is almost inhumane. Laws should be a lot stricter and there should be psychological tests before anyone should be allowed to make such a decision.

It's no surprise there are so many teenage pregnancies around here. There's no barrier. Abortion is such an easy option and there's no questions asked.

[j2k4]

I don't know about the American stance, but in Britain, there is no "unfettered access". Every woman stepping up to the plate, so to speak, has to go through three doctors and a councillor before she makes a decision, and even then it may be denyed to her. Don't think that decision is Ever taken lightly. The younger a woman is, the more questions are asked, and the more provisions are made for her aftercare, both physical and mental. There are only two possible abortion procedures, either surgical, where the operation is performed ,or medical, where the woman is given a pill for the procedure to happen at home, followed by a check up, if under 12 weeks. This is legal and accountable, both to the woman herself, and to the medical staff. Where's the "shroud of non-accountability."?

You might want to get your facts right Carcinus.
It's nowhere near that in Britain at the moment.

I had an abortion in Britain a couple of years ago and this is what I got:

Told my GP about it, he asked me what the reason was I wanted an abortion.
(about a 10sec conversation)
Got appointment in hospital where bloodpressure etc got taken and echo, no questions asked.
Went into hospital two days later to take abortion pill, nurse who gave it to me simply said that there was no way back after taking the pill and was sent home without any further information.
Went back to hospital 2 days later to have actual procedure, no explanation about what was about to happen whatsoever. Spent 8 hours in hospital and got sent home.
No after care, no conversation, no counsillor. Nothing.

I was 13 weeks pregnant which means they induce early labour, you're allowed to do that up until 20 weeks. Up until 12 weeks you do indeed just get sent home or they can use 'suction'


It's a terrible system they use in Britain.
If anyone would have bothered to talk to me for only 5 minutes it would have been clear I was in no position to take such a decision. ( was more or less forced into it by boyfriend at the time...)
Unfortunately, it's a decision I'll always regret and I still really haven't come to terms with.

The South Dakota thing is extreme, but by God, the way it works in Britain is almost inhumane. Laws should be a lot stricter and there should be psychological tests before anyone should be allowed to make such a decision.

It's no surprise there are so many teenage pregnancies around here. There's no barrier. Abortion is such an easy option and there's no questions asked.

I am so sorry to hear this, Sonja.

I don't know what to say...

[Skweeky1]

It's ok Kev,

I suppose it was just another one of life's hurdles...

You'll be pleased to know G and I are starting to thionk about wee uns

I was just trying to prove a point.
Something like that has a major impact on our life and it should NEVER be that easily accesible

[j2k4]

It's ok Kev,

I suppose it was just another one of life's hurdles...

You'll be pleased to know G and I are starting to thionk about wee uns

I was just trying to prove a point.
Something like that has a major impact on our life and it should NEVER be that easily accesible

Then I guess you could say we are in complete agreement.

An intellectually honest person will grant that a certain number of abortions is going to occur, for a variety of reasons.

It was/is a terrible mistake to make policy so as to open the floodgates.

[Skweeky1]

I agree completely.
People make mistakes and should have the right to rectify them, however, when it concerns something this magnitude...

Maybe some decent counselling is in order instead of a simple 'are you sure you want to do this?'

[Busyman™]

I think counseling would be in order for an underage person but adults can make their minds up without the need for counseling if they choose to do so.

Some women think it's a decision of great magnitude and some don't. Any woman can regret having an abortion in hindsight. Sometimes that hindsight can be 10 years later.

[chriss_ee]

i never knew this this is very interesting

[chriss_ee]

i think this could lead to a lot of problems