US government near to debt limit

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

r-e-a-d. skillian stated there should be tax breaks for green fuels. I stated there are tax breaks for green vehicles. you talk about dealership markups.

1. tax breaks
2. tax breaks
3. dealer markups

sing with me now, "one of these things is not like the other."

Dealer markups FOR GREEN VEHICLES.

Cancels out tax breaks is all.

c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-d

1. tax breaks for green fuels
2. tax breaks for green vehicles
3. dealer markups for green vehicles

sing with me now, "there was a correlation not to hard to figure out...for some."

c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-d this, dealers mark up ALL vehicles. You are an idiot if you think they do not. Do you think they all had a pow-wow and decided that since the irs is giving a $2,000 tax break on these vehicles that they will raise the price on them? I highly doubt this, they don't care, they sell cars, they do not do taxes, they could care less. And if you would do a little research smart guy, you will see that the list of vehicles these breaks are available on, you will see that there are NO 2006 models on it yet. How many dealerships do you know that are trying to push 2003 model vehicles instead of 2006 models?

But wait, you probably already saw this on tv 2 weeks ago, right?

[Busyman]

Dealer markups FOR GREEN VEHICLES.

Cancels out tax breaks is all.

c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-d

1. tax breaks for green fuels
2. tax breaks for green vehicles
3. dealer markups for green vehicles

sing with me now, "there was a correlation not to hard to figure out...for some."

c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-d this, dealers mark up ALL vehicles. You are an idiot if you think they do not. Do you think they all had a pow-wow and decided that since the irs is giving a $2,000 tax break on these vehicles that they will raise the price on them? I highly doubt this, they don't care, they sell cars, they do not do taxes, they could care less. And if you would do a little research smart guy, you will see that the list of vehicles these breaks are available on, you will see that there are NO 2006 models on it yet. How many dealerships do you know that are trying to push 2003 model vehicles instead of 2006 models?

But wait, you probably already saw this on tv 2 weeks ago, right?

Wtf are you on about? I made a simple comment about the markup on green vehicles and you talk about shit from 2 weeks ago and whateverthefuck.

I should have clarified for idiotswithbugsuptheirassforsomereason. Hybrid vehicles have manufacturer and dealer markups that reduce tax breaks to small concession.

I'm probably on the low side with the $8000. Hopely you can figure out that this referring to a comparable vehicle without the greenness.

Is that too fucking hard for you to understand now?

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

c-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-d this, dealers mark up ALL vehicles. You are an idiot if you think they do not. Do you think they all had a pow-wow and decided that since the irs is giving a $2,000 tax break on these vehicles that they will raise the price on them? I highly doubt this, they don't care, they sell cars, they do not do taxes, they could care less. And if you would do a little research smart guy, you will see that the list of vehicles these breaks are available on, you will see that there are NO 2006 models on it yet. How many dealerships do you know that are trying to push 2003 model vehicles instead of 2006 models?

But wait, you probably already saw this on tv 2 weeks ago, right?

Wtf are you on about? I made a simple comment about the markup on green vehicles and you talk about shit from 2 weeks ago and whateverthefuck.

I should have clarified for idiotswithbugsuptheirassforsomereason. Hybrid vehicles have manufacturer and dealer markups that reduce tax breaks to small concession.

I'm probably on the low side with the $8000. Hopely you can figure out that this referring to a comparable vehicle without the greenness.

Is that too fucking hard for you to understand now?

Is it to fucking hard for you to understand? Green vehicles are more expensive. If I buy one now, and I owe $4,000 in income tax, I will only have to pay $2,000 in income tax. If I buy a non-green vehicle, I would still have to pay $4,000 in income tax. It doesn't matter if I paid more for the vehicle or not. At tax time I would be saving $2,000. If you were not so busy thinking up "gems" like bugsuptheirass, you would see that is a 50% saving at tax time. I know it is hard for you little gangsta bitches to put 2 and 2 together but really, try harder. Let me make it easier for you. You want des' fresh fly new shoes fo' $300, you can go out an' sell $300 wo'f of yo crack, or you coo spend half da time an' sell $150 wo'f and buy dem shoes from yo g who stoled dem from da sto'.

Now STFU and go work on your little screenplay you little bitch you.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Now good night. Use this time to count how many more food stamps you have left and how many more days till the welfare check shows up you little inner city dwelling drain on society.

[Busyman]

Wtf are you on about? I made a simple comment about the markup on green vehicles and you talk about shit from 2 weeks ago and whateverthefuck.

I should have clarified for idiotswithbugsuptheirassforsomereason. Hybrid vehicles have manufacturer and dealer markups that reduce tax breaks to small concession.

I'm probably on the low side with the $8000. Hopely you can figure out that this referring to a comparable vehicle without the greenness.

Is that too fucking hard for you to understand now?

Is it to fucking hard for you to understand? Green vehicles are more expensive. If I buy one now, and I owe $4,000 in income tax, I will only have to pay $2,000 in income tax. If I buy a non-green vehicle, I would still have to pay $4,000 in income tax. It doesn't matter if I paid more for the vehicle or not. At tax time I would be saving $2,000. If you were not so busy thinking up "gems" like bugsuptheirass, you would see that is a 50% saving at tax time. I know it is hard for you little gangsta bitches to put 2 and 2 together but really, try harder. Let me make it easier for you. You want des' fresh fly new shoes fo' $300, you can go out an' sell $300 wo'f of yo crack, or you coo spend half da time an' sell $150 wo'f and buy dem shoes from yo g who stoled dem from da sto'.

Now STFU and go work on your little screenplay you little bitch you.

Sighhhh I see my blue-eyed devil still doesn't get it.

Although you help save the environment and all that, your loss is more dumbshit.

[Busyman]

Now good night. Use this time to count how many more food stamps you have left and how many more days till the welfare check shows up you little inner city dwelling drain on society.

Eh?

[j2k4]

The discussion was over whether or not the intransigent government could, overnight, in effect, restructure it's regulatory nature and imperative to tax so as to immediately foster research into, and development of, alternative fuels...not whether an intransigent government could ever be expected to change in any way.

The distinction is not too subtle, I trust?

I was merely addressing your post (#32), and your later puzzlement at Rat Faced's reply. I was saying that a government could and should tax a "totally environmentally-friendly fuel" less heavily than petrol/gas.

Apologies if I didn't use the quote feature.

Much as I hate to force this back on topic, I felt Rat was (as so many do) taking inordinate pride in the amount of taxes he pays.

I hope to be forgiven for believing the only taxes I owe are for the common defense, blah, blah, blah.

The government (here, anyway) views any semi-substantial consumption of any goods whatsoever as an opportunity to enhance revenue, you see.

You apparently believe it is thoroughly correct for them to do so.

The government, faced with an alternative choice of fuels, would assume (for no reason other than a "felt" need) such should be subject to tax over-and-above regular sales-tax.

Why?

I think it is idiotic to buy the argument we owe the government what it says we do, no questions asked.

In the U.K., you believe in Socialism, which is nothing more than government capitalism as opposed to private capitalism, and government proves time and time again is hasn't the gifts that the private sector does for that particular game.

[zapjb]

I'd venture to say that 90% of businesses that made over $1 billion in the USA in 2005 won't pay any Federal taxes. And as for 2004 all defense companies that made over $1 billion paid zero in Federal taxes.

How is that punitive toward business?

OK I'm quoting myself from page 4. My slant on this topic is the US government no longer has the best interests of the American masses foremost. The US gov. is just about the elite.

[Biggles]

J2

I think the UK (and EU) position is one of Mixed Economy rather than all out Socialism. The general view is that no one expects the Government to run the Supermarkets or the local ice cream shop. However, we do expect the Government to play a role in the broader infra-structure of the country. We have less extremes of wealth and poverty than say the US (or, bizarrely, Russia) and we do appreciate that some choices preclude others. However, on balance the society we have suits our culture.

I would not want my country run by World.Com or Enron. The private sector is a pretty mixed bag when it comes to best practice

[j2k4]

I'd venture to say that 90% of businesses that made over $1 billion in the USA in 2005 won't pay any Federal taxes. And as for 2004 all defense companies that made over $1 billion paid zero in Federal taxes.

How is that punitive toward business?

OK I'm quoting myself from page 4. My slant on this topic is the US government no longer has the best interests of the American masses foremost. The US gov. is just about the elite.

That's an easy charge to make, but it is often freighted with misapprehension.

Who has the money?

The Elite.

Who creates jobs?

The Elite.

Who possesses venture capital?

The Elite.

Who occasionally need to be convinced to risk capital, in order to create jobs?

The Elite.

Who lives the capitalist dream of entrepeneurialism?

The Elite.

I think it's quite proper to say the government has a hand-in-glove relationship with the Elite.

What you conclude about that relationship is another story.