The U.S. has been touted as the "Greatest Country on Earth"...

[Skweeky1]

Are you that psychic guy from Britain's psychic challenge?
If not, do you know him?

[Busyman]

Nah. I would think it pretty pathetic that some foreigner would generalize the populace of the third largest country in world as being the same...oh wait.

Indeed, it would be pretty pathetic.

Which is why I questioned the validity of you giving details of your lifestyle in a thread about America in general.

'Is America great?'

'Well, Busyman is going on a cruise'.

Oh fuck, Batman. He focused on a 2-liner out of entire paragraph.

Oh I just happen to be an American and there are many others just like me. Middle-class black American and just part of demographic that grew up poor.
I believe my lifestyle and how it changed for the better, makes living in America great. I don't believe my circumstances would have been much better elsewhere.

[manker]

Are you that psychic guy from Britain's psychic challenge?
If not, do you know him?

I knew you were going to say that

[manker]

Indeed, it would be pretty pathetic.

Which is why I questioned the validity of you giving details of your lifestyle in a thread about America in general.

'Is America great?'

'Well, Busyman is going on a cruise'.

Oh fuck, Batman. He focused on a 2-liner out of entire paragraph.

Oh I just happen to be an American and there are many others just like me. Middle-class black American and just part of demographic that grew up poor.
I believe my lifestyle and how it changed for the better, makes living in America great. I don't believe my circumstances would have been much better elsewhere.

You say about me focusing on a tiny part of your post and expecting it to reflect the whole is wrong, yet you focus on a tiny demographic to show how America is great. I expect that the black folk in Zimbabwe who procured the farmland have a better lifestyle now c.f. what they had before - but is that indicative of life in Zimbabwe.

No.

Next!

[Busyman]

Oh fuck, Batman. He focused on a 2-liner out of entire paragraph.

Oh I just happen to be an American and there are many others just like me. Middle-class black American and just part of demographic that grew up poor.
I believe my lifestyle and how it changed for the better, makes living in America great. I don't believe my circumstances would have been much better elsewhere.

You say about me focusing on a tiny part of your post and expecting it to reflect the whole is wrong, yet you focus on a tiny demographic to show how America is great. I expect that the black folk in Zimbabwe who procured the farmland have a better lifestyle now c.f. what they had before - but is that indicative of life in Zimbabwe.

No.

Next!

Hmmm.......I don't know if the ability for black folk procure farmland in Zimbabwe is easy or not. Do people that apply themselves have an easier time bettering their lifestyle over there. I can't say.
I might give the average Zimbabwean a better chance over here than there but I am ignorant as to the makeup their country.

Oh and people that start from shit and make better for themselves are not a tiny demographic over here.

I'd rather be here than anywhere else even based on the numbers game.

If I was rich and could live anywhere I wanted in the world I might have a different outlook. As a blue collar worker trying to be rich, this be...the place to be. The amount of oppurtunities is a motherfucka from my perspective.

Next indeed.

[manker]

You've gone from 'I'm doing better' to 'Middle class black Americans are doing better' to 'People who start from shit and try to do better'.

That's really what I wanted you to do - broaden the perspective that you were presenting, from the ridiculously narrow "I" to include millions of people.

You do see what I did there, I take it.

Thanks for conforming.


I agree too, since it was part of my initial point. Economically, America can be considered great.

[Busyman]

You've gone from 'I'm doing better' to 'Middle class black Americans are doing better' to 'People who start from shit and try to do better'.

That's really what I wanted you to do - broaden the perspective that you were presenting, from the ridiculously narrow "I" to include millions of people.

You do see what I did there, I take it.

Thanks for conforming.


I agree too, since it was part of my initial point. Economically, America can be considered great.

Well if the new posts helped you understand, great. This is one of those "imo" or "from my pov" instances where it shouldn't have to be said. America might be the most diverse country in world so I thought certain things were CaptainObvious. Either way, it's good that you get it now.

edith shit, I did say it.

As far as who may want to make their own way in a country, I don't hear much "I want to make it in Australia, Canada, or France" but that's only from my POV in America.

[manker]

Well if the new posts helped you understand, great. This is one of those "imo" or "from my pov" instances where it shouldn't have to be said. America might be the most diverse country in world so I thought certain things were CaptainObvious. Either way, it's good that you get it now.

edith shit, I did say it.

As far as who may want to make their own way in a country, I don't hear much "I want to make it in Australia, Canada, or France" but that's only from my POV in America.

See, that's just it. It's not obvious. Neither is it correct.

The thread is about if America is great or not.

Your previous statements don't work, only last one does. I'll try an analogy to see if it helps

John Major came from a circus background to be the Prime Minister of the UK.

Does that make the UK great? Nope. It's just an isolated incident.

John Major and other people of a circus background made some money.

Does that make the UK great? Nope. It's a tiny demographic.

Lower class people in the UK are given opportunities to make something of themselves - and millions of them do.

Does that make the UK great? Yeah!

Your success <sic> is not what makes America economically great, yours and other middle class black Americans' success does not make America economically great. Tens of millions of people having the opportunity, and taking the opportunity, to make a lot of money, does

Given that this facet is only a small part of a country's economic success, which is in turn only a component of whether America is great or not - you should be able to see how insignificant your own improved lifestyle is in this topic.

Which is my point.

[Busyman]

Well if the new posts helped you understand, great. This is one of those "imo" or "from my pov" instances where it shouldn't have to be said. America might be the most diverse country in world so I thought certain things were CaptainObvious. Either way, it's good that you get it now.

edith shit, I did say it.

See, that's just it. It's not obvious. Neither is it correct.

The thread is about if America is great or not.

Your previous statements don't work, only last one does. I'll try an analogy to see if it helps

John Major came from a circus background to be the Prime Minister of the UK.

Does that make the UK great? Nope. It's just an isolated incident.

John Major and other people of a circus background made some money.

Does that make the UK great? Nope. It's a tiny demographic.

Lower class people in the UK are given opportunities to make something of themselves - and millions of them do.

Does that make the UK great? Yeah!

Your success <sic> is not what makes America economically great, yours and other middle class black Americans' success does not make America economically great. Tens of millions of people having the opportunity, and taking the opportunity, to make a lot of money, does

Given that this facet is only a small part of a country's economic success, which is in turn only a component of whether America is great or not - you should be able to see how insignificant your own improved lifestyle is in this topic.

Which is my point.

It's makes it great for me and other's like me. It's what many immigrants have to say when coming over here.

It's the ability of anyone applying themselves to move up. Sure that be made a blanket statement for Russia but I reckon it's harder.

Not a tiny demographic over here.

A tiny demographic is hitting the jackpot in Powerball or Mega Millions.

You say the rampnat commercialism of America is a fault. How so?

America is made up of different cultures now under one banner. You say that's a fault. I call it a strength. Black American culture doesn't really come from Africa really. Many black Americans don't even identify with Africa so where did our culture come from? Culture doesn't have to be 300 years old to be considered culture.

Culture is in our friends and families and it intermingles with others on a daily basis. Our capitalism is part of our culture and it can have it's evils just like anywhere else in the world :ferengi:. Part of our history was about getting from under Britain's thumb and getting established then almost breaking up. All very significant.

Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and all o dat.

[peat moss]

I can see that but thier health plan needs work . I live in Canada but Britian or the Usa , would be a toss up for my second choice .

How we treat our pensioners should be a good guide .