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    Quote Originally Posted by cpt_azad
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    Indeed.

    In that article it said that no attack on Iran could be taken out without the US leading, since no army has any troops, tanks, aircraft etc. like the US. Israel could donate technology and well trained troops, the UK - more arms, same about Russia, and even Chine..


    As you said - better quick and early than late and sore.....
    Agreed word for word.
    Wow, that's a first for me here in the seriouse discussions..

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    I don't believe Russia or China would support Iran if it came right down to nut-cutting time, but they are sure hanging up the process at the moment-similar to France, Germany and Russia before we went into Iraq.

    BTW-North Korea was, a short while back, making just about the same noises Iran is now.

    Absent Ahmadinejad's malign focus on Israel, what's the difference?

    Kim Jong Il seems to have receded from our view...

    Admittedly, there are a few more wildcards in play in the mideast, but when nukes are the issue, what does it matter?

    Anyway, just as a curiousity and a moral exercise, let's say Iran manages to take Israel by surprise, and "annihilates" the entire nation.

    How does the rest of the world respond?
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

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    Well, they would bust them open bad...

    Cos don't forget - if they wipe Israel out, they wipe me out

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    Quote Originally Posted by tralalala
    Well, they would bust them open bad...

    Cos don't forget - if they wipe Israel out, they wipe me out
    We wouldn't want that, Rafi.

    It's just an exercise.

    I just find myself wondering, given the lack of will demonstrated at certain times, and in certain places, what international sentiment would be if such an incident ever occurred.

    There are those who would say, what's done is done, and that to seek revenge (for it's own sake) would be wrong.

    There are quarters which argue against object lessons, when the whole of our existence in this world is nothing but a series of them.

    There are things people should fear to do, even never having done them.

    The nuclear question has been previously explored, has it not?

    Isn't it ironic that we find ourselves continuously destabilized by the propagation of the technology, which can be of tremendous benefit when used for things like energy production, but is primarily pursued as a weapon?

    Wouldn't you agree our fear has more to do with human foibles than the technology itself?
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    I guess so, but let us not forget that with a raging Muslim country, that is being fired up by incredulouse statements by it's government, will probably feel that it is thier" holy job" to destroy Israel, attack the west, and try to make the Muslim world a body of fear and power over the world.. no?

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    why don't we just move isreal to the USA?

    We could give them Texas, and like we do with our own "historic" stuff we could just move all the "holy stuff". Put the wailing wall along the border to keep out illegal immigrants.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tralalala
    I guess so, but let us not forget that with a raging Muslim country, that is being fired up by incredulouse statements by it's government, will probably feel that it is thier" holy job" to destroy Israel, attack the west, and try to make the Muslim world a body of fear and power over the world.. no?
    That would seem to be the fear, at least.

    Where the rubber meets the road, however, who knows?

    Prior to the war, Iran was presented as being on the verge of revolution; I don't think (in three short years) Iran has imbued it's citizenry top to bottom with such expeditionary Islamist fervor as is being shouted from Ahmadinejad's pulpit, but again, we're talking nukes, right?

    What the people think doesn't matter, and the radicals like Ahmadinejad don't regard the people as innocents, but as tools to be used in his "war against the infidel".

    It is precisely this which allows him to view Non-Islam peoples with utter contempt.

    The only surely safe road is pre-emption, and that's where the other difficulties arise.

    We can piss about for years (as with Iraq), and suddenly it is too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    why don't we just move isreal to the USA?

    We could give them Texas, and like we do with our own "historic" stuff we could just move all the "holy stuff". Put the wailing wall along the border to keep out illegal immigrants.
    Feeling silly today, aren't we?

    While we're at it, let's re-locate North Korea, Iran, Syria, et.al., to Antarctica.

    Put it on Kofi Annan's tab; we'll pay our share.

    BTW-why don't "we" learn how to spell "Israel"?
    Last edited by j2k4; 04-15-2006 at 03:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    why don't we just move isreal to the USA?

    We could give them Texas, and like we do with our own "historic" stuff we could just move all the "holy stuff". Put the wailing wall along the border to keep out illegal immigrants.
    Feeling silly today, aren't we?

    While we're at it, let's re-locate North Korea, Iran, Syria, et.al., to Antarctica.

    Put it on Kofi Annan's tab; we'll pay our share.
    Silly as it is what about that idea is sillier than forcing a region to give up its land then have the rest of the world suffer the resulting wars?

    Isreal is stood on stolen land, "North Korea, Iran, Syria, et.al.," are not.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4

    Feeling silly today, aren't we?

    While we're at it, let's re-locate North Korea, Iran, Syria, et.al., to Antarctica.

    Put it on Kofi Annan's tab; we'll pay our share.
    Silly as it is what about that idea is sillier than forcing a region to give up its land then have the rest of the world suffer the resulting wars?

    Isreal is stood on stolen land, "North Korea, Iran, Syria, et.al.," are not.
    All land has been stolen from someone, vid.

    In the case of Israel/Palestine, it is merely a question of whose story you believe...three major religions claim Jerusalem as Mecca.

    Who has the best claim?

    Tell us, please.
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

    -Mark Twain

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