Ahmadinejad says...

[vidcc]

So, then your fantasy is one merely based on the preference of the party in question?

Then my answer would be "no", in either case.

Then why do you expect the arabs to accept Israel?

Do you think any of the Holyland would have been made available to transient/homeless Arabs, after WWII?

Would there have been such a strong objection to any but the Jews?

I have no objection to anyone settling in land, as immigrants, what (and I repeat) my point is about taking over that land and creating a country.

I care not if they are jews, muslims scientologists, christians or followers of the spaghetti monster.....

[Biggles]

I think we have to remember that Ahmadinejad plays as much to an Iranian audience as he does a World one.

He knows perfectly well that attempting to wipe Israel from the face of the globe would bring certain ruin to Iran but the thought of it plays well to the hardliners. Likewise Iran has been industrialising since the days of the Shah and civilian nuclear energy has been in the pipeline there for two decades or more.

It is unlikely that Iran will be attacked and it is probable that they will have civilian nuclear power. These two things would probably have happened regardless. Ahmadinejad is striking the pose that his leadership is bringing these things to fruition. To a small degree he is and he seems to determined to milk it for all its worth.

However, there is a political opposition in Iran and his hardline rhetoric plays no better with them than it does with us - or, for that matter, no better than the hardline rhetoric of other leaders goes down with the political opposition in their respective countries either.

[j2k4]

I think we have to remember that Ahmadinejad plays as much to an Iranian audience as he does a World one.

He knows perfectly well that attempting to wipe Israel from the face of the globe would bring certain ruin to Iran but the thought of it plays well to the hardliners. Likewise Iran has been industrialising since the days of the Shah and civilian nuclear energy has been in the pipeline there for two decades or more.

It is unlikely that Iran will be attacked and it is probable that they will have civilian nuclear power. These two things would probably have happened regardless. Ahmadinejad is striking the pose that his leadership is bringing these things to fruition. To a small degree he is and he seems to determined to milk it for all its worth.

However, there is a political opposition in Iran and his hardline rhetoric plays no better with them than it does with us - or, for that matter, no better than the hardline rhetoric of other leaders goes down with the political opposition in their respective countries either.

I agree with your post completely, Les; the only real risk seems to be whether or not someone (Israel?) jumps the shark with this character.

His rhetoric is so outrageous and inane as to almost be dismissed out of hand, but he could make his own citizenry nervous unto instability, and who knows what would happen then?

It's sure to be a mess; question is, do we try to manage it now, or later?

[Tempestv]

it is quite obvious that it would be suicide for Iran or DPRK to fire a nuke at anybody. it would be utter suicide. there is no way that they could cripple even one country, and even if they did, between the United States, Russia, China, Israel and all the European Countrys, even if you crippled any one of them, there is still going to be a damn big army aimed at you. However, last I heard, Kim Jong Il isn't exactly right in the head, and with Iraq serving as an example of a preemptive strike on the possablity of WMD, slinging nuclear threats around might not be the most sane idea, so the sanity of Ahmadinejad might be in question. So, while attacking anyone with nuclear weapons might be a really bad idea, we have to remember what people have their fingers on the button. I would consider Iran and the DPRK's threats quite valid.

While I side away from the Iraq war, the main difference between Iraq and Iran or DPRK is Iraq was saying "we don't have weapons". Iran and DPRK are saying "we have or will have weapons and we wish to use them."

[LegendaryU2K]

I still say people need to chill more, you know just relax and eat some good foot, have sex, play xbox, read the bible or Quran, look out the window, do something hahaha.

I understand that wars and violence in general will continue to happen unto the end of this world ( to a point ), but still its time to say " hey i'm sick of fighting, lets just relax ".

But i'm dreaming right?

[Barbarossa]

Antarctica is going to be fucking lovely in a couple of hundred years, whereas alot of the world will be underwater.

[thewizeard]

..I should have read the whole thread.. It hardly seems possible that a bankrupt nation is capable of helping anyone sort their problems out.. Also it's a pity this thread is centring in on Israel.

America, now seems ready to take on Iran, possibly because their (Iran's) missiles still can't reach the US. That's a different matter for Europe. North Korea can reach the US though.. A preemptive attack is on the cards plunging the middle - east into turmoil. I expect Israel to act soon.

[cpt_azad]

hat's a different matter for Europe. North Korea can reach the US though

And exactly what kind of resources and or valuables are there in North Korea? The US has no interest in helping bring about democracy to countries, and I can even say that to some degree any democratic country doesn't really care about that, as long as there is something in it for them. If you know what I mean.

[thewizeard]

Then we may all hope..no pray, That North Korea doesn't find natural oil within its territory

[cpt_azad]

Then we may all hope..no pray, That North Korea doesn't find natural oil within its territory

Sure, whatever floats your boat. Chances of that happening anyway are like one in a billion.