A message to the americans:

[thewizeard]

..when the temperature on Venus drops to 20 degrees Celsius and on Mars rises to 20 degrees celsius..then and only then will I be enticed to live on those distant planets....this is a bit too serious for the lounge..dont you think?

Well the USA are experts at causing global warming, so mars is looking viable

..still leaves us in a mess over Venus ..

By trying to alter climates on other worlds, we might cause an imbalance in our solar system. That might be catastrophic for Earth. I do hear what you are saying though.. I think I will go and mend my fence..I have been meaning to repair it for so long now...

edit: ouch Chewie you caused me to fall from my stool..I thought I was still in the lounge

[leonidas]

really what do you do?

Trying to do my part on solving (some) of the problems on this world, before thinking of pionneering on another.

Well I guess we have a different philosophy.

There is talk of global hegemony but I am not entirely convinced. If anything more countries are returning left of centre "social democrat" style Governments than before.

Look at GWs allies, both Spain and Italy have ejected the Conservatives and moved to the left - Britain arguably was already there so there was nowhere for the opposition to go.

Yes some of them even call themselves socialists. But none of them is actually questioning capitalism.

[ahctlucabbuS]

/move thread back to lounge ?

Ok so, 15 years ago the United States won the cold war against the USSR.
Since that, no one seems to need to proove anything as one ideologie has been either accepted or imposed to the whole world. So no more apollo, no more soyouz to show the world what the people of a country are capable to accomplish.
So what do we do know? Now that the world is governrened by duches. Now that we don't look foward for fights and conquest, but at our bills and cars, where is the american pionner spirit? When do we start thinking about settling on mars or venus? It is my feeling that the human destiny isn't only about pleasing your wives and produce psp to kill the time playing with it. Or maybe it's just me. When do we free ourselves and start to have faith in our future, in what we can accomplish, instead of letting people in their misery having faith in those fake gods because they are basically affraid of life.
Americans wanted the world working by their rules, they have got it. What are they going to do with it? I Hope you'll get the spirit of my point and won't feel attacked, I know you like your country, and I too think it's great in many ways.

So we need conflict and hell to progress the human race?
Bush is planning a manned mission to the moon by 2015-2020, and later to mars.

Perhaps we should look to our own planet first though... :kyoto:

[thewizeard]

With a little luck, Bush, will man those missions personally.. There really isn't much he can do out there...but don't let him know...

Perhaps we should look to our own planet first though... :kyoto:

this is the way, and perhaps explore the spiritual as well as the physical :equally:

[leonidas]

My point is one should act foward, and not stand by on a self depressive analisys. One should explore, give himself the chance to be surprised. I think that's what we are, and we should go for it. Life is too short for spending it thinking. The other planetes were just an example, I'm not saying we have to travel that far, many things can be done on earth too, but the point is to look always for something new and not looking how you can make something you already have better. That's what I wanted to point out quoting the cold war. During that period of time in the mind of some peole, was something more than just everyday life maters.

I think I won't be able to make you understand what is it about. That's after all something very personal.

[Barbarossa]

The human body is too fragile to exist anywhere except Earth for any length of time. The manned Mars mission will be a disaster.

We should concentrate on transferring our consciousnesses into cyberspace, and get robots to do all the dangerous stuff

[thewizeard]

My point is one should act foward, and not stand by on a self depressive analisys. One should explore, give himself the chance to be surprised. I think that's what we are, and we should go for it. Life is too short for spending it thinking. The other planetes were just an example, I'm not saying we have to travel that far, many things can be done on earth too, but the point is to look always for something new and not looking how you can make something you already have better. That's what I wanted to point out quoting the cold war. During that period of time in the mind of some peole, was something more than just everyday life maters.

I think I won't be able to make you understand what is it about. That's after all something very personal.

Please don't feel attacked, I think we all do hear what you are saying ..just adding to it not subtracting. Life is indeed short, but I feel, that thinking..is the most important quality that "we" possess.. and we should use that faculty to in the extreme... then when thought has reached it's logical conclusion...act!

[leonidas]

No please, don't worry I'm not feeling attacked. I'm not trying to force anyone to get my point, that's why I say it's personal. I'm just interested in figuring out what is my point's value according to other people, and if some have something interesting to bring on that subject.
Off course we have to think to, that's what makes it so nice when thanks to the performing of thinking, you can express yourself and find ways to free yourself from invisible custodies. Everything is after all basically a mater of having a bit of all, measurement & variety are the keys. All I'm saying is I feell there is not enough action nowadays and that's bad. That pretending war against terrorism for instance is a joke. How could some even call that a war? muslims are not trying to convert us as much as I know. I'd rather say it's a police operation.

[DanB]

All I'm saying is I feell there is not enough action nowadays and that's bad. That pretending war against terrorism for instance is a joke. How could some even call that a war? muslims are not trying to convert us as much as I know. I'd rather say it's a police operation.

Pardon?

I don't think there is a war against terrorism because muslims are trying to convert people, I might be wrong but I'd put my last beer on it.

[thewizeard]

Playing it safe DanB.. I bet you wouldn't put your last joint on it