God v No God

[thewizeard]

Residing deep within an South American valley, God smiles to himself...

[DorisInsinuate]

Food for thought:

[Chip Monk]

This is why people have such difficulty with the basics. It's not enough to decide whether a God created the Universe or not. Some people cannot consider how the Universe came about, based purely on logical deduction. Rather than that they ask, "if God exists, then what is his address?".

It is no more ridiculous to suggest that God exists outside of spacetime than it is to suggest that the whole Universe just came into being spontaneously, from nothingness. In fact, it is less ridiculous.

As such, much as I cannot tell you God's postcode, or give you his phone number, it is reasonable for me to say that he exists. It's the simplest way to explain the problem.

Now whether he cares about us, or even know's we exist, that is entirely another story.

[Gripper]

I like to think of the "universe" as a sentient being and due to its size we are just a microscopic part of it,as I understand it the universe is expanding form some sort of cosmic center and when the outward energy slows to a stop then we will start contracting back into the center.
When all the matter reachs the center it will again explode and thus the cycle of life will begin again.
You can call it what you like,God ,Goddes whatever,wether it takes notice of us who knows,do we take notice of dead skin cells flaikng off our body,not really it just happens.
So "God" won't notice us until we do enough to upset the cosmic whole,much as we ignore our body till it becomes sick.
I have kinda lost my thread of thought now,so I'll stfu.

[Barbarossa]

All this is beyond human intelligence.

Either trust and accept without knowledge nor understanding or reject it.

That's the most sensible thing you've ever said.



JP - I don't think you've chosen the simplest solution, you've just commuted the same problem to a higher level. :

The thing that we can't seem to get our heads around, is that there was no time before the universe, because time is a property of the universe. There is no space outside of the universe, because space is a property of the universe.

The universe just exists. Maybe it's one of an infinite number of universes occupying the same space, we'll never know.

The way I look at it, is to imagine that the universe was only 2 dimensional, and existed on the surface of a balloon. Now if you inflated the balloon, the universe would expand, if you let some air out of the balloon, then the universe will contract.

Now try to explain to a being that lives in that 2 dimensional universe what exactly is happening

The concept of another dimension of space would be completely beyond him, as all his knowledge about his universe is limited to 2 dimensions.

This is our problem with our universe. Our knowledge of it will always be limited to what we can observe.

[DorisInsinuate]

The universe just exists. Maybe it's one of an infinite number of universes occupying the same space, we'll never know.

Not very ambitious are we

How can we be sure that we can't observe all the dimensions of the universe? Isn't it worth expanding our knowledge of the infinite? (That's the noun infinite).

[Barbarossa]

The universe just exists. Maybe it's one of an infinite number of universes occupying the same space, we'll never know.

Not very ambitious are we

How can we be sure that we can't observe all the dimensions of the universe? Isn't it worth expanding our knowledge of the infinite? (That's the noun infinite).

Not to me. Ambition is for emos.

If you find out the answer, then let me know.

[Chip Monk]

Not very ambitious are we

How can we be sure that we can't observe all the dimensions of the universe? Isn't it worth expanding our knowledge of the infinite? (That's the noun infinite).

Not to me. Ambition is for emos.

Ah but bear in mind, the emos shall inherit the Earth.

Or was that the cheesemakers?

[Proper Bo]

But how can the universe contract if it doesn't end?

[Gripper]

We aren't like our ancestors are we,"look out,the universe is flat if you go to far you'll fall off"