The Welfare State

[Chip Monk]

I feel alot like you towards refugees here in canada. they cant fucking speak, but they get a house, food and taken care of. Like WTF! PLus with the new rule, ($100 per kid a month if their under 6), you could fuck for 6 years and make $200 a month there, plus the fucking everything else.

Racist

[Gripper]

I feel alot like you towards refugees here in canada. they cant fucking speak, but they get a house, food and taken care of. Like WTF! PLus with the new rule, ($100 per kid a month if their under 6), you could fuck for 6 years and make $200 a month there, plus the fucking everything else.

Racist

Realist

[Chip Monk]

Racist

Realist

Thank you.

[thewizeard]

The biggest problem we have in the UK is people ripping of the welfare state and simply refusing to work. It's a drain on the decent people who just want to make a decent living and pay their way.

I'm a socialist, always have been, it's the way I was brought up. As such I very much believe in the concept of "from each according to his means, to each according to his needs". That to me is morally correct. So if someone genuinely cannot work, then let's look after them. That's the type of society we want to be.

However more and more often I see people who just don't want to work. There are those who simply say "why should I work, I get as much on benefits and get my rent paid for me, save on travel cost etc. Fuck I wouldn't have as much to spend if I worked". I'm sure you've seen them on the TV yourself

There are also those who make them selves effectively unemployable. They look like a bag of shite, smell and speak horribly. Anyone who they are sent to for an interview immediately think, no way I'm not employing you. I'm not talking about mentals here, I'm talking about those who do it deliberately and there are plenty of them.

This has two effects. They produce nothing for society and they leech from it. Feck they even create a new generation to keep the drain on the rest of us going.

I've had enough of it. If someone refuses to work, then give them fuck all money. Even if there's no jobs, get them to do something useful. Cut a pensioner's grass or something. we're already paying them, so let's get something back for it.

Yes, and most of them live north of the border.

It's well known, that a capitalist society is dependent on having a large unemployed sector...it keeps the wages low.

This is not the biggest problem in the UK...and you know it!

[Chip Monk]

The biggest problem we have in the UK is people ripping of the welfare state and simply refusing to work. It's a drain on the decent people who just want to make a decent living and pay their way.

I'm a socialist, always have been, it's the way I was brought up. As such I very much believe in the concept of "from each according to his means, to each according to his needs". That to me is morally correct. So if someone genuinely cannot work, then let's look after them. That's the type of society we want to be.

However more and more often I see people who just don't want to work. There are those who simply say "why should I work, I get as much on benefits and get my rent paid for me, save on travel cost etc. Fuck I wouldn't have as much to spend if I worked". I'm sure you've seen them on the TV yourself

There are also those who make them selves effectively unemployable. They look like a bag of shite, smell and speak horribly. Anyone who they are sent to for an interview immediately think, no way I'm not employing you. I'm not talking about mentals here, I'm talking about those who do it deliberately and there are plenty of them.

This has two effects. They produce nothing for society and they leech from it. Feck they even create a new generation to keep the drain on the rest of us going.

I've had enough of it. If someone refuses to work, then give them fuck all money. Even if there's no jobs, get them to do something useful. Cut a pensioner's grass or something. we're already paying them, so let's get something back for it.

Yes, and most of them live north of the border.

Which border would that be Nigel?

[Gripper]

The one by the watford gap.

[Chip Monk]

The one by the watford gap.

That seems unlikely, isn't Nigel a Dutch lad?

[Gripper]

Isn't Dutchland norf of watford??

[thewizeard]

The thing is, these sort of topics cause "infighting" which is not socialist policy but more ruling class say,.. Capitalist; divide and rule. Abuse is there for certain...One should begin at the top and not at the bottom where people are struggling to survive; maybe even trying to raise children.

and talking of borders...now playing on my radio, "Borders of Salt - Dan ar braz

[Skiz]

This reminds me of a sociology project I did in my early college years:

It was the first day of a group project researching the homeless. I was in my truck in the parking lot of an HEB (grocery store) when an obviously homeless woman came up and asked I had any work she could do like cleaning house, or washing clothes. She said that she would work for meals. Normally I would have blown her off but having this project I decided to dig a bit further.

Something about didn't add up to me. She seemed about fifty and was wearing a type of old suit. Her shoes looked a bit too nice as did her purse, but she was well weathered.

I asked her if five dollars would help and she said it would. I pulled a fiver from my wallet and asked (before I handed it to her) if she got many jobs working for food. She said "Some" and I then asked how many times in the past month would she estimate that she has worked for food?

"Not many"
"Five times?"
She replied that she didn't think it had been that many. I asked, "Two times"

She mustered a smile and almost a laughed as if she felt she had earned the five bucks in my hand already. "Okay, twice.

I asked her name and she inquired if I was "the law" to which I replied, "No, I'm just an ordinary taxpayer."

She told me her name was Mary (probably bs. I could have yelled "Hey Mary" and a half a dozen women would have looked over)

We got to talking about the "sales pitches" of the homeless and how they attempt to make their living and why she chose this technique.

"A sign would never work, not for a woman. And you'd never catch me out on the freeway, and sure not with a sign. Wouldn't be five minutes before I'd have a cop on me."

I asked her how much she made on an average day and she seemed to get quite angry. For a moment I thought she was going to walk away from the five dollars I still had in my hand. She didn't though.

"Look buddy, I'm not working any kind of game. I'm like a lot of other people right now. I'm down you know. I'm just trying to make it, that's all."

Would she really work for meals?

"Damn right."

How about right now? Would she go to my place and clean it up after I gave her dinner? She was shaking her head before I had finished and I felt that she had heard that proposal before. "No, not today. I can't go right now because I have things to do."

I didn't ask her what things she had to do that couldn't wait. Figured she wouldn't tell me. Probably what she had to do was work that parking lot, offering to clean houses in return for meals.

Before she walked away, she did take the five dollars though.