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Thread: Does the end ever justify the means

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    Mr JP Fugley's Avatar Frog Shoulder BT Rep: +4
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    Would you support your military, or police forces using torture in order to obtain intelligence or evidence to assist in fighting an enemy or solving a crime.

    I would propose this definition of torture

    For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
    from http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/h_cat39.htm

    However that's obviously open to debate as well.

    My personal view, torture as described above is wrong in any circumstances.

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    Mr. Mulder's Avatar pepper your angus BT Rep: +10BT Rep +10
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    i agree that it should only be allowed if it is carried out by jack bauer, who is almost (almost) never wrong when it comes to torture.

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    the merkins suck bawls at torture.

    fact.

    sitting in a room listening to loud music, oh noes, i'll admit to anything

    As long as I've got a face
    You've got a place to sit

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    I don't think it does, however I am sure it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mulder
    i agree that it should only be allowed if it is carried out by jack bauer, who is almost (almost) never wrong when it comes to torture.
    So you feel that being right justifies the use of torture, so long as you torture the right person it's OK.

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    if jack bauer does it, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mulder
    if jack bauer does it, yes.
    So it's more to do with who is doing the torturing. So long as you trust them to torture the right people then that's OK.

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    yeah if its jack bauer lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mulder
    yeah if its jack bauer lol
    You have a rather specific view on the justice system.

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    Busyman™'s Avatar Use Logic Or STFU!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mulder
    if jack bauer does it, yes.
    Good point, if not for Jack Bauer justifying the means and ends and shit, 24 would've only had 1 good season and the world would have ended.

    Motherfucker got 10 nukes aimed at my country, I'd torture him too.

    Fuck, mere threats work on some people so hell yeah torture can work.

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