Iran-Contra affair not spring to mind?Originally Posted by j2k4
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Iran-Contra affair not spring to mind?
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
Looking for loopholes
I was not aware that Iran had denied support for Hezbollah. I thought one of the main points of contention is the fact the Iranians have expressed great approval of all this. It is the Syrians that appear to be slighlty caught cold by events and have denied involvement in this particular attack (which may be true). It is, however,slightly ironic that most of GWs policy thrust last year was to get the Syrians out and now he would like them to exert control. A pundit said on TV the other day that the only person that could actually tell them to stop shooting is the Iranian Ayatollah - the Syrians have limited influence.
Given that events suggest that Hezbollah have longer range Iranian missiles and according to an Israeli spokesman today the Israeli frigate was hit by a sophisticated shore to ship missile (Chinese presumably through Iranian sources) I don't think Iran could deny both involvement and training in the use of such weapons. Increasingly it would seem they do not want to deny such claims either.
These are undoubtedly troubling times and at the moment I really question the wisdom of Israel's over the top response. Hezbollah sat and watched Israel go in heavy on Hammas for two weeks on the one soldier kidnapped. I think they were trying to provoke what has unfolded. It is not always wise to chase the enemy when they are saying "chase me, chase me". But hey, what do I know.
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum
en(un)lightened
No it does not, especially as it was not officially sanctioned, and was dealt with as the one-off activity it was when found out.Iran-Contra affair not spring to mind?
We also have as an arguable example Afghanistan and Bin Laden, which was in no way covert.
Again, to dwell on historical faux pas doesn't serve any purpose here; if you demand the point, I'll concede it-what then?
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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It was an example we know about. And to suggest it was not officially sanctioned is getting into the realms of "depends what the definition of is is"
I think it slightly Naive to think we are not supporting any groups covertly...in fact I would be suprised if we were not.
it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.
en(un)lightened
I thought your point (and Rat's, as well) was overt vs. covert.It was an example we know about. And to suggest it was not officially sanctioned is getting into the realms of "depends what the definition of is is"
I think it slightly Naive to think we are not supporting any groups covertly...in fact I would be suprised if we were not.
Anyhoo, I'm wondering about this current situation, unless you feel we are disqualified from speaking of it without the requisite self-flagellation?
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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The CIA kidnapped the Israeli soldiers so that Israel would over-react, thereby prompting Hezbollah to get involved which would in turn cause Israel to over-react even more which would cause Iran to talk about pushing Israel into the sea which would give GW another reason to invade Iran.
Fact.
.Political correctness is based on the principle that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
en(un)lightened
Oh.
Well, then.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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