Riaa And Filesharing

[OlderThanDirt]

Jibbler wrote:

The war on terror is so vague, so they'll find a way to associate filesharing with terrorism. It appears this is the cloud the government is hiding under for most of their atrocities now.

Actually (grin), the war on terror may have the opposite effect. Right now, Homeland Security is very fearful of potential "electronic attacks" by unfriendly people ... and if the RIAA starts giving the go-ahead for high-tech attacks on file-sharers, they might find themselves on the business-end of a Federal investigation. And remember, a lot of people in the music and movie businesses are anti-war lefties anyway (grin) -- people who may have skeletons in their own closets that the government may be very interested in.

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by clocker+4 May 2003 - 23:15--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 4 May 2003 - 23:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Viqer_fell@4 May 2003 - 21:11
The simple answer is... don&#39;t worry, it&#39;ll be a while before the small time sharers get busted by the big corps

Well, I agree with the simple part. [/b][/quote]
Public opinion always comes after the technology.

[sandrathom60]

The RIAA is just into intimidation right now. They aren&#39;t gonna get serious yet because of the "price fixing" deal a few years back. When they got busted trying to tack an amendment on to that terrorism bill they probably lost a lot of "friends" in Washington. Politicians hate bad press with an election year coming up.

On the more humorous side,their trojan and virus are just that. Either one has to have an executable or a script to work and that ain&#39;t mp3s. They&#39;ll have to go way out of their territory to get them to work. Can you see them launching a trojan to wipe out harddrives and it got rerouted to the Pentagon. Now that would be funny.

[RealitY]

F**k those liberal anti-war commies, who in the goverment reallys wants to help these saps.

Regarding the original post here, case in point, people will RUN, due to the scare tactics.

I think someone should file a harassment suit regarding these IM&#39;s and letters.

In case it is not mentioned yet Filetopia has encryption built in to stop your ISP from seeing the data you dl or ul through it. Now if you were to couple this with a proxy or bouncer (which Filetopia offers), well then you could virtually dissapear. I currently use Filetopia, well designed, but the user base is still limited.

[OlderThanDirt]

Earthstation 5 -- Anyone heard of this? It&#39;s apparently a stealth-P2P network under development. And, I suspect they&#39;re not alone.

[disenchanted]

actually the Department Of Defense already has done a so-called study on the file-sharing networks and now links terrorists with peer2peer.

[OlderThanDirt]

actually the Department Of Defense already has done a so-called study on the file-sharing networks and now links terrorists with peer2peer.

... and the Surgeon General has proof that smoking leads to excessive belly-button lint (grin).

Seriously, though, it wasn&#39;t the Department of Defense. It was John G. Malcolm, deputy assistant attorney general in the criminal division of the U.S. Department of Justice. I mention his name because, frankly, his opinion does not represent the opinion of the agency itself. When he concocted this fanciful notion, he was asked to come before the House Subcommittee on Terrorism and explain himself. When Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) asked him for proof, he could provide none ... but continued to ramble on with his unprovable notions until stopped by John Carter, also (R-TX) who said, "It seems to be a growing trend for the government to lump things together with terrorism that really are not connected at all."

So much for that.

However, regarding the Earthstation5 entity I mentioned above (and being a curious sort), I went to NetSol&#39;s WHOIS database to see who they were. (Entering "woo-woo" mode.) They list their address as being in a refugee camp in Palestine (snicker, I kid you not) ... but call themselves a Vanuatu Corporation (Vanuatu being an island nation with very good Internet infrastructure).

[clocker]

Originally posted by OlderThanDirt@5 May 2003 - 18:26


... and the Surgeon General has proof that smoking leads to excessive belly-button lint (grin).

Really?
Well, you learn something new every day, don&#39;t you?

And I used to think this forum was just a waste of time.

Isn&#39;t Vanuatu where Sharman is hiding out?

[OlderThanDirt]

Isn&#39;t Vanuatu where Sharman is hiding out?

I didn&#39;t know they were hiding. But, they could have offices there. Their homepage states, quote, "Sharman is a worldwide operation, based in Australia, with offices in Europe." Their registration record shows them as being in Sydney, Australia ... and the registration record for Kazaa shows them as being in Cremorne (probably a suburb of Sydney).

[OlderThanDirt]

Hehehe. FWIW, I went to the Justice Department website to see if I could find the exact text of Malcolm&#39;s speech to the Subcommittee on Terrorism. A search unconvered nothing (maybe DOJ was embarrassed, hehe). However, Malcolm didn&#39;t stop there. He also made speeches to the House Committee on the Judiciary and the Subcommittee on Courts, The Internet, and Intellectual Property. And, in that speech, his comments on the "terror tie-in" comprised one paragraph near the end:

"Finally, Mr. Chairman, I want to close by briefly discussing terrorism. Earlier I noted that organized crime syndicates are frequently engaged in many types of illicit enterprises, including supporting terrorist activities. On this point, I want to be crystal clear. Stopping terrorism is the single highest priority of the Department of Justice. We are constantly examining possible links between traditional crimes and terrorism, and we will continue to do so. All components of the Justice Department, including CCIPS, the Counterterrorism Section, and the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, will do everything within their power to make sure that intellectual property piracy does not become a vehicle for financing or supporting acts of terror."

Jeez Louise, hehe. If terrorists wanted to profit off stolen intellectual property, they wouldn&#39;t log on to a P2P network. They&#39;d buy a CD off the shelf, slap it into a multi-CD copying machine, and crank out whatever their market would bear. Organized pro pirates (ie., China) have been doing that for years. Frankly, I think someone needs to mail Mr. Malcolm an alarm clock and a jar of Maxwell House instant (regular, not decaf).