Embyonic stem cell research

[Barbarossa]

Ahh.. I understand what you are saying now.

I don't believe the idea is to clone a bunch of body parts and put them together into one person. If that was the case, I would tend to agree with you.

As far as I understand it, there are 2 possibilities.

1- Clone an entire person all in one shot from the cells of one person.

2- Clone parts of a person to graft back on to them or another person or to grow materials in a person to fix parts that are wrecked.

I suppose another idea is to clone a whole persons body and put the original persons brain into it, but I think that will be a ways away

What they doing isn't really cloning, they are just injecting dna into core of cell. Not even twins are the same, but they are in the same matrix and that makes them similar when they get born, later on they go their way. While if you wanted to make a fotocopy of a human, that human wouldn't be the same person. It is only possible if he gets born again but than he dies and his dna is used to make a copy of him and that clone doesn't know he exsisted before, it is without meaning. Nobody can clone a grown human adult with his knowledge in his brain, cause if they wanted to do that they need to know first how cells split themself and than they would need to know how brain works. And later on you could ask yourself how to clone your memory and if you would be the same with no memories of anything you did before. Cause cloning isn't like transfering data to another disk. Your brain gets old and memories of your brain will never be possible to clone, you can have all replaced, but you will die because of your brain gets old. Cloning doesn't exsist and will never fully exsist, the only thing that exsist is injecting skin into cells and that what we call cloning these days. Nobody cloned anything that has a shape of grown human.

I'll tell you what cloning is shall I, because you seem to be failing to grasp the simple concept.

Cloning, by definition, is the creation of a genetically identical organism to another. How you do it, is irrelevent.

Identical twins are clones, because genetically, they have the same DNA.

You're talking about a special type of cloning which is popular in science-fiction, where a full-grown human is created almost instantaneously from the cells of another. Using current technologies, this is well beyond our capabilities, but this may not always be the case.

You're also talking about the transference of intelligence from one brain to another. Again, current knowledge of how the brain works means that this is not possible, but with a bit of effort, starting off with some very simple cases, I can see this happening in the future also.

For some brains this could be easier than others.

[limesqueezer]

I have never seen a twin that dressed the same like his twin, they don't even weight the same, they are similar, they are the same maybe only while in same egg in same mother. For example when you clone and take another mother its different enviorement in mother, it developes different altrough with same dna of someone that died, soo that you understand.
We know that you can inject dna into cell but we don't know how the process work, we don't know absolutly nothing about how brain works, they arn't even sure where is the brain for speach if that even exsist. What scientists are doing now is not grown human cloning, don't mix that with embyonic stem cell research.

[Busyman]

I have never seen a twin that dressed the same like his twin, they don't even weight the same, they are similar, they are the same maybe only while in same egg in same mother. For example when you clone and take another mother its different enviorement in mother, it developes different altrough with same dna of someone that died, soo that you understand.
We know that you can inject dna into cell but we don't know how the process work, we don't know absolutly nothing about how brain works, they arn't even sure where is the brain for speach if that even exsist. What scientists are doing now is not grown human cloning, don't mix that with embyonic stem cell research.

Twins are not even exactly the same in the womb.

[limesqueezer]

Identical twins arn't really identical, like clones arn't machines, some may think its like in movies, when they all act and behave the same, for now its just experimenting with cells that they don't even understand fully. Some things will forever be Sci-fi and some will change a bit but not like in games. It will never be like printing a full-grown human like a papper soo you could live forever.
I would like to see my memories stored on disk, soo i could use them for a new body.

[Barbarossa]

I would like to see my memories stored on disk, soo i could use them for a new body.

This should do the job for you, with room to spare

[limesqueezer]

Cloning Barbarossa style: you take 1 large Barbarossa and make 2 big Barbarossas, 2 identical idiots.

But Barbarossa doesn't even need to store his knowledge with one of those things:
Barbarossa is a Serpent Priest, he was born with his wisdom, soo he doesn't have anything to loose, he has as much knowledge as when born (all in genes).

Cloning, by definition, is the creation of a genetically identical organism to another. How you do it, is irrelevent.

Long live Barbarossa logic, wisdom right out of games and lounge, withouth explanation, it is irrelevent to ask that.

[tracydani3]

When I refered to cloning an entire person, I was not speaking of the near instant process on movies. I was speaking of growing it from day one throgh however many years needed to reach the age of the physical body being cloned.

I also am not refering to getting an identical person with respects to the brain and memories. I was saying you would clone the person (say from birth at the same or near the same time the original is born) and then if the original body is comprmised, transfering the hopefuly working brain into the other body.

Not realy an effective way to do things, but that is the type of cloning I was refering to.

[Busyman™]

Cloning Barbarossa style: you take 1 large Barbarossa and make 2 big Barbarossas, 2 identical idiots.

But Barbarossa doesn't even need to store his knowledge with one of those things:
Barbarossa is a Serpent Priest, he was born with his wisdom, soo he doesn't have anything to loose, he has as much knowledge as when born (all in genes).

Cloning, by definition, is the creation of a genetically identical organism to another. How you do it, is irrelevent.

Long live Barbarossa logic, wisdom right out of games and lounge, withouth explanation, it is irrelevent to ask that.

If you don't stop right now, I'm going to come over and kick Barbarossa's dick outta your mouth.

[MagicNakor]

Keep on topic guys, or I'm going to be forced to modulate.

[Barbarossa]

Keep on topic guys, or I'm going to be forced to modulate.

OK, but I got him to post in a format other than a word-brick, I'm pretty happy with that