Jews?

[tralalala]

As SPIKE said... It is believed that Judah snitched on Jesus so then the Romans crucified him, and since Judah was looked upon as a right a**hole..

Anyways, I read in the paper some time ago that there may be evidence to show Judah didn't actually snitch on Jesus.. maybe this is a base for Christian antisemetism?

By the way.. antisemetism is a wrong term.. it means I hate people living in Israel, Syria, Lebanon.. around the Med-sea.. but during WWII Hitler turned it into hatred of the Jews.

Anyhoo, Muslims hate us for having Jerusalem, but go figure.. they killed a hell of a lot of non-Jews in the WTC on 9/11...

In fact, if I recall correctly, it mentions in the Koran that the Jews should NOT be harmed by the Muslims.. but all these Sheikhs have done something that made milions of people belong to a religion that calls for holy war on the Jews and the Western world..



Oh wel...

[Barbarossa]

So basically as far as you're concerned, all the trouble is caused by religion, and the world would be a better place if everyone was an atheist?


I agree

[tralalala]

That's what I believe.. if everyone was an atheist there wouldn't really be a basis for hatred.. apart from maybe colour (apparently some people hate blacks, and some blacks hate white people...), maybe political views.. but in general, less hatred..

[ilw]

rough history of the region (dates not accurate):

1000BC - native tribes/inhabitants conquered by jews for the next millenia various portions of the land were ruled by a variety of different peoples, but there was generally a jewish presence on some of it.

100AD jews kicked out by romans

500AD - conquered by muslims and stays muslim for next 1.5 millenia

early 1900s - zionists (name for jews who decided they want their own country) set up a programme to get a jewish state by shipping lots of jews to the general palestine area, i.e. basic plan is to dominate demographically the people living there. Hundreds of thousands of zionists do go and the jewish population in palestine goes from practically zero to a significant percentage

1940s - post WW2 lots of refugee jewish people knocking around europe, western countries most importantly britain (which was in control of palestine) decide that the whole zionism thing is quite a good idea and allow mass transit of jews to palestine. Palestinians upset that they're getting f**ked, but any revolts are put down by the british.

late 1940s - Britain hands palestine over to UN because its a pain in the ass. A UN committee recommends that the land be split 50/50 basically, but only a third of the population was jewish at the time and the jews only owned 5% of the land. Jews obviously ok with this deal, native palestinians are not quite so keen to give up half their land for zero gain. Also the land split was only recommendations, the actual vote on the recommendatoins was resoundingly negative.

1940s fighting breaks out, a couple of massacres of palestinians occur, lots of palestinians flee from pro-jewish militias and the jews occupy the land that these massacres and this mass fleeing has left. This land is named israel. Surrounding countries invade, but they suck.

1967 - in a 6 day war israel doubles its size

1970s surrounding countries invade again, they suck again and israel gets bigger



(this history is intended to provide balance to the series of suggested histories already posted)

[Snee]

I'll declare a war on the roman empire, then.

[bigboab]

I'll declare a war on the roman empire, then.

You better get on your goat then. ( I apologize for the dyslexia.)

Litle wonder that they call it the Holy Land. It is full of bomb craters, shell and bullet holes.

[littlehelenb]

The best way to live is to live safe.
***Stop terrorists***

You've got it all wrong........I've heard George Bush .......... I quote what I recently heard on CNN "We Merkins have to fight tourism"......I'm should that's what I heard.

[Fenasi]

IMO zionists give a bad name to jews and muslim people usually confuse this with Judaism.Also sPike33've mentioned christians accuse the jews of killing Christ.

Here is the 5000 years of middle east history in 90 seconds and let's see who has controlled the holly lands over the course of history...

http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html

[tralalala]

@ilw:

Not all Zionists wanted to come here first... In fact, one big group wanted first to get all Jews "back to the religion", and only then come over and build the state. The ones that did sucked, and the Brits made it illegal for them to come.

The Arab state was meant to be significantly bigger than the Jewish state, Arabs said no. Israel declares itself, war breaks out, surrounding countries attack and lose.

In the 50s another war breaks out, not much changes.

1967 - Israel wipes out armys getting ready to strike within 6 days, doubles it's size.

1973 - Arab countries attack, lose, and NO, Israel does NOT get bigger.

1979 - Peace deal with Egypt - Sini is given back.

1980s - First Intifada.

1994 - Peace deal with Jordan. Israel agrees to give Jordan water supplies in exchange for peace.

2000 - Second Intifada.

[tralalala]

And of course...

Summer 2006 - Second Lebanese war.... God know who won, I got pissed off, and it's time to settle down and either do peace, or go to a proper war against a conventional army and get it over and done with once and for all.