What Did They Die For?

[Tempestv]

When the US went into to Afganistan, the US military basicly told the local leaders that we would pay cash for every terrorist that they turned in. We had no way of defining what was a terrorist, so if the guy turning him in claimed he was a terrorist, we sent him to cuba. Now put your self in the shoes of one of the local leaders that is sick and tired of dealing opposition, bumbs on the street, ect. Here is the perfect method of dealing with these problems, and you get paid for it as well. As a result, we have alcoholic "terrorists" in guantanamo bay, which makes no sense, considering that the taliban and al qaeda are comprised of hard line muslims that feel that alcohol consumption is a sin.
While I beleve that "known terrorists" should get no help, we first have to know which prisoners are "known terrorists"

[Busyman™]

They've killed over 3000 terrorists...in Iraq?

Were these terrorists actually terrorists before Iraq was invaded? Were they bombing the US and that, I mean?

With this logic we should wait and let them attack us first, then we can attack them.
Wow that’s smart. As much we don’t want to be in Iraq being there is a preemptive move that is doing a lot to keep the USA and other countries safe.
Also I don’t care when or where the terrorist came from; a terrorist is a terrorist and deserves to die.

What logic are you talking about? The logic where we make folks angry that we attacked Iraq, they fight us, and it's a good thing?

[j2k4]

If we left Iraq, presumably the insurgents, or terrorists-for-hire, or whatever you wish to call them, from within or without the country, would go home and...what?

Farm?

Do you suppose they desire peace?

[Busyman™]

If we left Iraq, presumably the insurgents, or terrorists-for-hire, or whatever you wish to call them, from within or without the country, would go home and...what?

Farm?

Do you suppose they desire peace?

Not our problem. There is a cut-off point.

The folks in Darfur desire peace too....they just don't have shit we want.

[Tempestv]

If we left Iraq, presumably the insurgents, or terrorists-for-hire, or whatever you wish to call them, from within or without the country, would go home and...what?

Farm?

Do you suppose they desire peace?

Unfortunately that's the quandry that is the result of Bush and company's decision to attack Iraq in the first place, followed by Rumsfield's poor planning for the attack.

The question comes down to are we making progress in slowing the insergency, or is the US presence enraging more people and creating a bigger problem?

Last I heard, we were losing more troops per week than ever before.

[Snee]

If we left Iraq, presumably the insurgents, or terrorists-for-hire, or whatever you wish to call them, from within or without the country, would go home and...what?

Farm?

Do you suppose they desire peace?

Granted, some of them are foreigners out to make trouble (who wouldn't have been there in the first place, had they not come to "help"), and some of them are probably criminals, since that's something war can attract...but, a fair share of them (religious nutters or not), those "militants" who get recruited at mosques and that, would probably not be attacking anyone, if someone hadn't come and attacked their native soil, and so forth.

So yes, a fair lot of them would probably prefer some peace and quiet, if they knew their country wasn't occupied by people they percieved as hostile to them and their way of life.

As it is, more of them are probably recruited every day, all the people doing the recruiting need do is point out what's happening around them

And sticking in there and staying is probably not the best way of convincing them one's intentions are pure

Like I asked before...if the roles were reversed, if you were the one whose country was invaded and occupied by people with different views and a different notion about how your country ought to be run...would fighting that make you an insurgent, a terrorist, or a freedom fighter?

[Busyman™]

If we left Iraq, presumably the insurgents, or terrorists-for-hire, or whatever you wish to call them, from within or without the country, would go home and...what?

Farm?

Do you suppose they desire peace?

Unfortunately that's the quandry that is the result of Bush and company's decision to attack Iraq in the first place, followed by Rumsfield's poor planning for the attack.

The question comes down to are we making progress in slowing the insergency, or is the US presence enraging more people and creating a bigger problem?

One must realize too that even to many Americans, Bush's attack of Iraq looked suspect so wtf do you think many Iraqis thought?

Hey lets attack Cuba too. Castro is oppressive and stuff. The other Cubans will welcome us.

[Busyman™]

If we left Iraq, presumably the insurgents, or terrorists-for-hire, or whatever you wish to call them, from within or without the country, would go home and...what?

Farm?

Do you suppose they desire peace?

Granted, some of them are foreigners out to make trouble (who wouldn't have been there in the first place, had they not come to "help"), and some of them are probably criminals, since that's something war can attract...but, a fair share of them (religious nutters or not), those "militants" who get recruited at mosques and that, would probably not be attacking anyone, if someone hadn't come and attacked their native soil, and so forth.

So yes, a fair lot of them would probably prefer some peace and quiet, if they knew their country wasn't occupied by people they percieved as hostile to them and their way of life.

As it is, more of them are probably recruited every day, all the people doing the recruiting need do is point out what's happening around them

And sticking in there and staying is probably not the best way of convincing them one's intentions are pure

Like I asked before...if the roles were reversed, if you were the one whose country was invaded and occupied by people with different views and a different notion about how your country ought to be run...would fighting that make you an insurgent, a terrorist, or a freedom fighter?

Yeah those fucking Wolverines were terrorists. Cuba and Russia were trying to help us.

After finding out some American soldier shot (accidental or not) your 7 year-old son or a bomb exploding on your way to the mosque killing 30 people, you'll be ready to bring things back to the way they were.

It's pretty bad when you create a bee's nest.

[j2k4]

If we left Iraq, presumably the insurgents, or terrorists-for-hire, or whatever you wish to call them, from within or without the country, would go home and...what?

Farm?

Do you suppose they desire peace?

Granted, some of them are foreigners out to make trouble (who wouldn't have been there in the first place, had they not come to "help"), and some of them are probably criminals, since that's something war can attract...but, a fair share of them (religious nutters or not), those "militants" who get recruited at mosques and that, would probably not be attacking anyone, if someone hadn't come and attacked their native soil, and so forth.

So yes, a fair lot of them would probably prefer some peace and quiet, if they knew their country wasn't occupied by people they percieved as hostile to them and their way of life.

As it is, more of them are probably recruited every day, all the people doing the recruiting need do is point out what's happening around them

And sticking in there and staying is probably not the best way of convincing them one's intentions are pure

Like I asked before...if the roles were reversed, if you were the one whose country was invaded and occupied by people with different views and a different notion about how your country ought to be run...would fighting that make you an insurgent, a terrorist, or a freedom fighter?

Comprehensively unresponsive, SnnY.

Most of the border-crossers and other rabble-rousers are Jihad-unto-death types, inculcated at the mosques to hate America, Israel, and the West in general, conditioned unconditionally, per "Allah's" dictate.

Do you suppose they'll go all docile and lovey-dovey if we leave.

[Busyman™]

The Iraq War - America's Auto Theft Bait Car

The Iraq War - America's Roach Motel

Who's the bait? Coalition soldiers, of course.

Maybe some Dems could use that in the run up to the elections.

"Bush wants to use our strong military as bait for the next 7 or so years."