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    Not while you have a Republican Executive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman View Post
    You are arrogant for no reason.
    Only when confronted with baffling and willful thickness, as in your case.

    You don't need to be the way you are with me, nor me with you, but there it is, nonetheless.

    If you took a different tack, perhaps I would as well...did that ever occur to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
    Not while you have a Republican Executive.
    Political gridlock can be comforting as well.

    Dems sense a great advantage to "getting nothing done" in this situation, as responsibility for the gridlock diffuses amongst the members of Congress, while it is concentrated in the case of the Executive.

    He is blameworthy, they are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
    Not while you have a Republican Executive.
    Political gridlock can be comforting as well.

    Dems sense a great advantage to "getting nothing done" in this situation, as responsibility for the gridlock diffuses amongst the members of Congress, while it is concentrated in the case of the Executive.

    He is blameworthy, they are not.
    Well if he consistently vetoes bills that pass then he would get the blame....and he should get the blame.

    The Dems have the majority in the Senate by a cunt hair and almost the same for the House (I think that's a little over 52%) so they don't have veto override power.

    The saving grace would be if some moderate Repubs vote with the Dems or if Bush decides the changes are good.

    I mean the Dems said that they wouldn't impeach and he should be appreciative of that. I mean I've seen a President impeached for as little as a dick suck. I think lying to get America (among other countries) into the current stink we are in with almost 3,000 soldiers dead fits the impeachment ticket a bit better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
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    I think you mean Tom Coburn (R-OK).
    I think he's referring to Jeff Flake (R-Az), profiled on 60 Minutes last week.
    Jeff was just on Bill Maher last night too.

    A Republican making sense, amazing.
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    It can't be just me but I hate politics ,so boring the rich plick always wins .

    Put a woman in the White House with convictions maybe I'll pay better attention
    she does n't even have to be good looking by the way .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman View Post

    Well if he consistently vetoes bills that pass then he would get the blame....and he should get the blame.

    The Dems have the majority in the Senate by a cunt hair and almost the same for the House (I think that's a little over 52%) so they don't have veto override power.
    The veto over-ride must be a fairly rare thing, as Congress has to agree by two thirds to do it. It can't be all that common for POTUS to have as low as a third of Congress in his own party, or supporting his point of view.

    You'll see how it looks bizarre from the outside. For at least the next two years the Legislative branch of your Government can put forward ideas, debate them and vote on them. For someone else to just say "nah", I don't fancy that.

    Re the impeachment issue, were there many Democrats who supported the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. If so they would be on fairly shakey ground trying to impeach him for going ahead. I don't know how many supported it, or failed to speak out against it, you chaps will know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman View Post
    I mean the Dems said that they wouldn't impeach and he should be appreciative of that.
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman View Post
    I mean the Dems said that they wouldn't impeach and he should be appreciative of that.
    What part don't you understand? Is this going to be a boring moment again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post

    Re the impeachment issue, were there many Democrats who supported the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. If so they would be on fairly shakey ground trying to impeach him for going ahead. I don't know how many supported it, or failed to speak out against it, you chaps will know.
    If he does get impeached I think it may be for something else. It's debated depending on what political side one is, but there are several things he has done that are unconstitutional. Warrentless wiretaps as an example and these signing statements are questionable.

    I don't think it serves any good for the U.S. impeaching Bush, but he probably deserves censuring at the very least.

    When the system was designed they wanted to ensure that they weren't replacing a foreign king/dictator country with a local dictator. So they set up the 3 branches to be seperate but equal to ensure checks and balances would prevent this happening.
    Our so called freedoms are protected best when there is at least one branch held by a different party. As we have seen just recently, when one party holds all the power the country suffers and we lose freedoms as the oversight disappears.
    Of course this system can lead to stalemate so usually a compromise is reached..........if only I could say that they usually reach good compromises

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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