My 2 Cents

[Cheese]

More reading if you're up for it: http://www.haftamag.com/index.php?op...sk=view&id=202

That's pretty much a standard type of article dealing with "generations" that I've seen time and time again in commercial magazines and the trade magazines like CTW since I sold Nintendo Entertainment Systems and Master Systems in my mate's computer shop. I expect to see the same articles again in 5 years time but fronted by information about the 8th gen consoles.

[hungrycow]

PC- FPS/RTS PC- MMO
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Super-Casual Regular Gamer HardXCore

This is how each system does the on the good 'ol casual scale in my eyes.

[Jon L. Obscene]

@Cheese....... Thank you, thats a very interesting read and just what I was looking for, your other links are not what I was looking for but the wikipedia is a good link. And a year span would make sense.......if not for a few obvious flaws in it's theory.

Firstly, going by that link Sega managed to get 2 "Next-Gen" consoles out in 1 Generation step.......TWICE! and one Next Gen addon in the middle.

4th generation (1989-1994)

The Mega drive (Genesis) (1989)
The Mega cd (1992 )

Both 4th generation systems yet both clearly "Next-gen"

The Sega 32x (1994) actually an add-on but acording to the link that counts as do handhelds. This falls under either 4th or 5th gen, depends what time of 1994 4th gen stopped and 5th gen started.

Then 5th generation systems......1994-1999

The Sega Saturn (1994) (pushing a little close to 4th gen which combined with the 32x could in essence mean Sega had 4 Next-gen systems in 1 Generation)
The Sega Dreamcast (1998) (Which aparently is a 5th AND 6th generation system that is of the same gen as the N64, Playstation, PS2, Gamecube and Xbox? )

Secondly, we keep hearing about how Gears Of War is the first "Next-Gen" game, well surely by that definition any media/software released on any of these systems is automatically "Next-Gen".

My point being I spose is that the pages you find online or in mags or on TV to say what is and isn't a next gen system are contradictory crap and you're simply believing whatever they tell you, whereas the likes of myself and Busyman are going by an unwritten rule about whats Next-gen based on what the machine can actually do, otherwise you end up with console after console all Next gen in the same gen which makes no freaking sense whatsoever.

Jonno

[GepperRankins]

@Cheese....... Thank you, thats a very interesting read and just what I was looking for, your other links are not what I was looking for but the wikipedia is a good link. And a year span would make sense.......if not for a few obvious flaws in it's theory.

Firstly, going by that link Sega managed to get 2 "Next-Gen" consoles out in 1 Generation step.......TWICE! and one Next Gen addon in the middle.

4th generation (1989-1994)

The Mega drive (Genesis) (1989)
The Mega cd (1992 )

Both 4th generation systems yet both clearly "Next-gen"

The Sega 32x (1994) actually an add-on but acording to the link that counts as do handhelds. This falls under either 4th or 5th gen, depends what time of 1994 4th gen stopped and 5th gen started.

Then 5th generation systems......1994-1999

The Sega Saturn (1994) (pushing a little close to 4th gen which combined with the 32x could in essence mean Sega had 4 Next-gen systems in 1 Generation)
The Sega Dreamcast (1998) (Which aparently is a 5th AND 6th generation system that is of the same gen as the N64, Playstation, PS2, Gamecube and Xbox? )

Secondly, we keep hearing about how Gears Of War is the first "Next-Gen" game, well surely by that definition any media/software released on any of these systems is automatically "Next-Gen".

My point being I spose is that the pages you find online or in mags or on TV to say what is and isn't a next gen system are contradictory crap and you're simply believing whatever they tell you, whereas the likes of myself and Busyman are going by an unwritten rule about whats Next-gen based on what the machine can actually do, otherwise you end up with console after console all Next gen in the same gen which makes no freaking sense whatsoever.

Jonno

fuck you and your unwritten rules.

the written rule is that this is the 7th generation. end of.

it's not a "believing what they tell you" thing. it's a standard used to refer to home console life cycles. you and busyman are being wrong. fact

[Jon L. Obscene]

It's not a "Believing what they tell you thing" but you do believe what they say and take it as gospel?

Good argument, well presented

Wait, wasn't it you that said you can't put a definition on "next-gen". just before you defined it as being a life cycle?

Jonno

[GepperRankins]

It's not a "Believing what they tell you thing" but you do believe what they say and take it as gospel?

Good argument, well presented

Wait, wasn't it you that said you can't put a definition on "next-gen". just before you defined it as being a life cycle?

Jonno

first off, by saying you can't put a definition on it, i meant you can't say a next gen console must have a new kind of media drive, more controller functionality or faster graphics. there's no sliding scale of how next gen it is. it's possible to fall into a grey area, but it's really judged on release date and not much else.


second. there's a difference between opinions and standards. using release date to categorise consoles is not an opinion, it's a standard. a lot of people agreed it's the smartest way to do it so it became the way it's done.

now sure you can have your opinion of what a "generation" is. until you can get vast majority of people to agree with you, you are actually wrong.

note the word "actually". it means you're really really wrong. very wrong indeed

[Jon L. Obscene]

So like I said, it is possible to have 2, 3 or even 4 "next-gen" consoles all in the same generation? is that what you are saying? because thats exactly what a time scale definition is and I have proved it using your sources.

And I'm sorry if it's too complicated for most to grasp that a true Next Generation system requires new technology etc and not just simple upgrades but if this 7th generation is from 2004-2010 for arguments sake will a hyperthetical PS4 released in 2009 be 7th or 8th?....by your reckoning it will be 7th meaning either the PS3 or the PS4 is NOT a Next Generation system.

Jonno

Edit: btw, I'm only wrong in your eyes because YOU choose to believe what the media tells you, thats your problem, not mine, I'm not a robot and I form my own opinions based on nearly 24 years of gaming experience.

[GepperRankins]

So like I said, it is possible to have 2, 3 or even 4 "next-gen" consoles all in the same generation? is that what you are saying? because thats exactly what a time scale definition is and I have proved it using your sources.

And I'm sorry if it's too complicated for most to grasp that a true Next Generation system requires new technology etc and not just simple upgrades but if this 7th generation is from 2004-2010 for arguments sake will a hyperthetical PS4 released in 2009 be 7th or 8th?....by your reckoning it will be 7th meaning either the PS3 or the PS4 is NOT a Next Generation system.

Jonno

Edit: btw, I'm only wrong in your eyes because YOU choose to believe what the media tells you, thats your problem, not mine, I'm not a robot and I form my own opinions based on nearly 24 years of gaming experience.

i don't know how many times we have to explain to you. it's a standard based on date. that's all. i suppose if you want to use "true next generation" as a way to not mean 7th generation that's fine. but don't say that any of the 7th generation consoles aren't 7th generation consoles

[Jon L. Obscene]

Nope, still don't agree with that because there's only been 2 Xbox's and 3 Playstations so it's impossible to be 7th otherwise that will mean I'm 10,000,000th generation of my family not 14th.
Again, the time scale does not work, period! It makes no sense reguardless of what the media says, they constantly contradict themselves on the subject as I have already explained.

But if YOU want to follow them then be my guest, but does that mean you belive them when they tell you a certain game is great too?. Like I said, I'll form my own opinions of Next Generation machines and games.

Jonno

Edit: And besides, this "Standard" you speak of.....who determined that? which Governing body of the gaming industry came up with that crap?

[GepperRankins]

Nope, still don't agree with that because there's only been 2 Xbox's and 3 Playstations so it's impossible to be 7th otherwise that will mean I'm 10,000,000th generation of my family not 14th.
Again, the time scale does not work, period! It makes no sense reguardless of what the media says, they constantly contradict themselves on the subject as I have already explained.

But if YOU want to follow them then be my guest, but does that mean you belive them when they tell you a certain game is great too?. Like I said, I'll form my own opinions of Next Generation machines and games.

Jonno

Edit: And besides, this "Standard" you speak of.....who determined that? which Governing body of the gaming industry came up with that crap?

it's gone 5am and i'm cranky so i'll probably end up saying something silly, but...


there is no one governing body, but between all the developers, manufacturers, journalists, designers, everybody! everybody involved and even those that aren't decided this is how to judge things because it makes things simple.

now i don't know if j2k4 is paying you to wind me up or something but you're a fucking retard. i don't know if you don't realise, but people don't have the synchronized births they work out for technology. so your family tree can't be compared to an overall family tree. so you can stick that analogy up your arse.


as far as following is concerned. that's a good thing to do with standards because it stops people getting confused. i'll make my own mind up about the morality of abortions. i'll follow what most people decided are the generations of computer consoles though, because trying to go by a different way to catagorise will only confuse anybody who i would ever try to converse with about consoles.

there are grey areas but it makes perfect sense 99% of the time