*official Matrix Chat* Reloaded & Revolution Chat

**kildred11** · 05-19-2003, 06:09 AM

Just saw it for the second time and had some thoughts about what the architect said.
He mentioned that they have destroyed Zion before and are very good at it. This made me think,
if theydestroyed Zion in real-life then there would be no threat. But lets say Zion is in fact not a real world.
Could it be a Matrix? The Architect says they are testing their reactions, in a way. Perhaps they want
to see how the people will react if they ever found out they where in a Matrix. The "Zion reality"
could give them a way to test how they react. If this where true that would explain a lot of what the Architect said.
Neo did sense the machines in the "Zion reality" and destroyed them. This suggests he is becoming aware that
he is in another virtual reality. I mean he never knew that he was in the Matrix in the first movie, why would he think he
was in another when he got out.

Of course there might only be one Matrix and The Architect was lying to try to protect his Matrix. It does make sense.
Why would he say " Well looks like you beat us" and let Neo destroy the Matrix. Then again maybe the machines have destroyed a
real world Zion and rebuilt it again. But that seems more far fetch sense it would be easier to make a Virtual Reality
and test them that way instead of using a real world. Man I hope the last movie can make some sense of all this.
What do you all think?

**be_man31** · 05-19-2003, 06:40 AM

ok this is how I gather it, first off about smith> smith is now a rogue program or virus(whatever you wanna call him) when neo destroyed him in the first matrix he didn't really destroy him but some how made him an anomoly and transfered unintentionally his programing or essence on to smith which is why they can sense each other. he says it to neo when they meet at the park after the meeting with the the ORACLE.

as for the french guy in the hotel> he is a old but rogue program from the earlier matrix, don't forget neo is dealing with sentient AI programs so when they have revelations about something for ex. "AWARENESS" they have a choice and to either stay with the program or not. when the oracle explains that when a program is due for termination he chooses to stay alive and then goes into hiding and becomes a rogue program or an anomily as the architect calls them.

now remember when the architect mentions there is a mother and a father of the matrix and neo says its the oracle that is the "mother" of the matrix and the architect scoffs at neo? what I think is that neo is the father and "TRINITY" is the mother. of course I could be grasping for straws but thats what I'm assuming. and thats why they are destined to fall in love. remember in the first matrix when neo gets shot and trinity tells neo that the oracle told her that she would fall in love with "the one" and that they were destined to be together? maybe thats why, cuzz she's the "mother" and neo is the "father" of the matrix.

the one thing (of several) that bothers me is how smith is able to survive out of the matrix in the guys body, I'm still trying to figure that one out.

**huuramis** · 05-19-2003, 07:04 AM

someone said agent smith got something from neo when neo killed smith in the last movie, does that mean neo can duplicate himself also ? . and also, someone said that guy with the goatee is agent smith ?, how did you get that idea ?.

.... maybe the reason agent smith can survive in the matrix and the real world is because, like maybe hes a virus that can survive in any OS, think of the matrix and the real world as os's.. or somthing.. all this talk is making me mental! WAHHHHHHHHHHH

.. oh and doesnt the architect dude say that *BLABHAHBLAHBLAHBL therefore i must be the father* .. so isnt he that father of da matrix ?

**Schmiggy_JK23** · 05-19-2003, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by be_man31@19 May 2003 - 01:40
the one thing (of several) that bothers me is how smith is able to survive out of the matrix in the guys body, I'm still trying to figure that one out.

"the body cannot survive without the mind" - matrix one: morpheus to neo

thats why i think... in the matrix, smith is able to take over the body/mind of the goatee guy... thus... the guys brain now thinks hes smith, because his mind was infected, and overtaken by smith... so now outside of the matrix, the goatee guy is in essence, smith, mentally, etc. What happens to the body inside the matrix, the brain thinks is real, and acts accordingly.

**Schmiggy_JK23** · 05-19-2003, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by huuramis@19 May 2003 - 02:04
someone said agent smith got something from neo when neo killed smith in the last movie, does that mean neo can duplicate himself also ? . and also, someone said that guy with the goatee is agent smith ?, how did you get that idea ?. .... maybe the reason agent smith can survive in the matrix and the real world is because, like maybe hes a virus that can survive in any OS, think of the matrix and the real world as os's.. or somthing.. all this talk is making me mental! WAHHHHHHHHHHH .. oh and doesnt the architect dude say that *BLABHAHBLAHBLAHBL therefore i must be the father* .. so isnt he that father of da matrix ?

the architect is the father, plain and simple, he says that.

the goatee guy, in neos dream, or foreshadowed vision, hard to tell what it was... was over taken by smith, and infected by him, in that one small, seemingly insignificant scene... and, cut himself, when the crew was off to leave zion, as he went out to meet neo, cut himself, to see if he really was human, i presume

its smith, dont worry that it isnt, it is, thats the big twist... the question is why, and how exactly...

**RedRival** · 05-19-2003, 09:56 AM

The goatee guy should've been dead, bu he turned out to be the only survivor and behold, it's Smith. They had his coming. I think I'll enjoy a film as it is, no use talking about it so much...nice film with good graphics.
Matrix Revolutions may turn out to be really crap if you go on critiquing, thinking that someone on this board proposed a much more interesting theory than the wachoski brothers did.

**huuramis** · 05-19-2003, 10:08 AM

i didnt even like matrx 2 that much. i thought x-men 2 was more fun to watch. and more intersting.

**4play** · 05-19-2003, 11:07 AM

remember when the architect mentions there is a mother and a father of the matrix and neo says its the oracle that is the "mother" of the matrix and the architect scoffs at neo? what I think is that neo is the father and "TRINITY" is the mother. of course I could be grasping for straws but thats what I'm assuming. and thats why they are destined to fall in love. remember in the first matrix when neo gets shot and trinity tells neo that the oracle told her that she would fall in love with "the one" and that they were destined to be together? maybe thats why, cuzz she's the "mother" and neo is the "father" of the matrix.

the artichtect says he is the father and then scoffs when neo calls the mother of the matrix the "oracle".
that is obviously not her name to him.

**ripley02** · 05-19-2003, 02:31 PM

all i gotta say after seeing this over the weekend is DAMN!! it was totally bad ass in every way but i see i wasnt the only one who was a bit confused. and i cant believe i missed the revolutions trailer. but i think i dl'd it from another thread so i hope it's the same one!!

i think revolutions is gonna finally answer all these questions, at least we can hope it does.

**Hazzy Hazz** · 05-19-2003, 02:59 PM

ok, juz realized.......how did Smith(s) enter the backdoor without the help of the keymaker?
A normal agent cant do that, even if he was freed..............