*official Matrix Chat* Reloaded & Revolution Chat

**thegroggman** · 05-20-2003, 06:50 AM

Man o man...tyk...your really bringing it to the table. Youve posted more in your first two than most do in there first 50. Keep up the good work man, Im going to reread this tommorow morning when I dont have to hold my eyelids open.

**Cl1mh4224rd** · 05-20-2003, 08:24 AM

Just a couple of thoughts on a few points I saw raised, and some of my own:

1) The rave/party/celebration/sex scene: The party was ok, but went on too long. How long do we need to look at people jumping up and down and groping each other in slow motion? The sex scene was totally gratuitous... It was 6 months since the end of the first movie, and the Neb has obviously been to Zion at least once since then. Everyone (the movie-goers) knew Neo and Trinity were doing the nasty even without it being said. Again, it was way too long.

2) Bane (the guy Smith infected) cutting his hand: I can't believe how much people are reading into this scene. Smith was going to assassinate Neo in real world, that's all, but the kid ruined it by calling out for Neo to wait up and causing everyone to turn around. The element of surprise was gone, so he had nothing to do but wish Neo luck. I can't be sure why he was cutting his hand, but the more I think about it, he did it because he (Smith) could; because he was human.

3) The Merovingian: No, he wasn't one of "the One"s... His statement of "I've survived the previous Neo's, and I'll survive you" or some-such was more like saying "No matter what you do, I'll still be here. I'm that bad-ass." When Neo stops all those bullets and he says, "So, you've got some skill"; that was a "I'm going to make a witty remark to hide the fact that I'm wetting my pants right now."

4) Neo's chat with The Architect: A friend of mine came up with the idea that all those TVs with all those Neo's, were actually all of his possible reactions (calculated by the Matrix, maybe?). You'll notice that at least twice, they all start shouting and stuff, and the camera zooms in on one of the TVs, possibly representing the reaction the "real" Neo had.

Hmm... I know there's more...

Oh well. Now, something a bit more general:

1) Birth in the Matrix: Do the "parents" decide to have a child, and the machines create a human child in the real world, or is it the other way around; do the machines create a child, and then its birth is programmed into the Matrix?

**maxwell_murder** · 05-20-2003, 10:27 AM

i justkinda skipped all of your coments past page 3 too lazy, so forgive me if this has already been stated these are some of my speculations,

1) the matrix sorta "rewinds" each time and thats how there were 5 neos/matrix's
2)the archetect said basically said to neo humans can make thier own choices making them superior to the machnes , and he expected neo to choose the door he didnt.the whole movie to me has a theme based on choices
3) the oracal knew smith would show up there to prepare neo and show him what smith had become
4)the twins are ghost programs that were supposed to be deleted, mervo... wife was a vampire and the guy she shot wasa werewolf, which was explained inteh movie
5)i wish i could remember what else i was gonna type but ill elaborate on these theorys later too tired 430 am...
6)bottom line the wachowski's make everything happen fora reason so no matter what even how subtle somthing seems it will play a part later, dont over rule any theory with evidance unless it was clearly rejected by somthing stated in the movie

thats it for now sooooooooo tired and i still cant find a working copy of this damn movie!

**Hazzy Hazz** · 05-20-2003, 12:19 PM

I had just read the the transcript between Neo and Architect guy..........And after a few reads i finally understand the whole movie!!! Woo hoo!!

Neo & Architect talk

It certainly explains its not a matrix in a matrix thingy thats got ever1 believing it.......................

**dlingeverything** · 05-20-2003, 01:38 PM

excellent link hazzy hazz.
After reading it, I understand it a little better
and get a little more insight to what the architect
is saying.

It also definitely proves that zion is real and not
another matrix (the matrix in a matrix thing is, in my
opinion, pretty stupid and corny to be in the next movie)

**scruge** · 05-20-2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Hazzy Hazz@20 May 2003 - 13:19
I had just read the the transcript between Neo and Architect guy..........And after a few reads i finally understand the whole movie!!! Woo hoo!!

The script was a great read..... But it only shows the movie isn't consistent and doesn't follow a logical thought process, yielding a FANTASY classification.

1. If the machines already know which door Neo is taking, wouldn't they have a backup plan? Surely they aren't going to let their power source die for a lousy 1% improvement in crop yields. They can't be that stupid.
2. Why are the machines hell bent on 100% crop yields? This is illogical. Only a human would have the arrogances to believe 100% was possible. A super smart computer would know that there are forces (As Frenchy put it "cause and effect, action... reaction".) it couldn't control.
3. The thing I find very puzzling is why the machines elected to alter the Matrix to increase crop yields verses other means. Genetic alterations, selective breeding and others.

Who knows, maybe Peter Pan and Tinker Bell will save the day!

**4play** · 05-20-2003, 04:06 PM

2. Why are the machines hell bent on 100% crop yields? This is illogical. Only a human would have the arrogances to believe 100% was possible. A super smart computer would know that there are forces (As Frenchy put it "cause and effect, action... reaction".) it couldn't control.

machines are built on logic that is why they believe that 100 % is possible. to them it is only bad programming that leads to the 1%. they are kinda debugging the matrix still.

**scruge** · 05-20-2003, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by 4play@20 May 2003 - 17:06

machines are built on logic that is why they believe that 100 % is possible. to them it is only bad programming that leads to the 1%. they are kinda debugging the matrix still.

I believe your logic is flawed, machines would follow all the rules and laws of nature and would be aware that 100% was impossible. (see Gaussian distribution / Normal Curve) Humans filter the rules and laws of nature to suit there desires..... HOPE is a prime example. Machines would never consider HOPE as a possible option.

Hope is driven by man's inability to control his emotions which cloud his logical thought processes through weak memories of the rules.
Meaning, man has difficulty remembering evey little detail about the world around him including the laws of nature.
Plus man has to contend with emotion, a very powerful influence on the thought process.
So when you mix emotion and poor memory you come up with HOPE.

Neither of which a machine would have to contend with.

**{I}{K}{E}** · 05-20-2003, 06:12 PM

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00011000 Bonus clip Concept Illustrator
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11010100 Animatrix Desktop Art
01101111 Hexadecimal menu