*official Matrix Chat* Reloaded & Revolution Chat

**kagey** · 05-16-2003, 03:17 PM

oh yeah and that gay ass rave shat and sex scene at the start was a potential movie ruiner, but the storyline a the end saved it. i mean it just turned into this grotuitous rave and they kept showing it for way way too long, same with the sex scene, its ok that they had sex, but they just stretched it out way too long. plus why were they so happy to have sex in zion, they could of did it everyday on the ship....

**Schmiggy_JK23** · 05-16-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by kagey@16 May 2003 - 10:12
ok the guy in the restaurant isn't another 'one' since he said 'i have survived 5 other neo's, and ill survive you' to neo.

I dont think thats for certain... why would he come out and say that? That would make no sense... he may be cocky, but it would be irrelevant for him to say that... he hinted enough, and that was the point... im not saying he is... but i dont think thats a good enough reason to rule him out.

as far as the rave scene... I dont know about you guys, but that is not a rave... if you have been to a rave, you would know this... so they had a big party, and celebration, and danced... i didnt see any frickin glow sticks, drugs, djs, crazy outfits, etc... it wasnt a rave, it was a celebration of life, and i think people take it out of context. It was to show you, even in their hour of desperation... with seemingly no bright spot... save for neo.. these people were so happy with life, and their freedom, they were going to celebrate it, instead of mourn their future... maybe it went on a bit long... but i think it was integral to show the love of the people for zion, and where they stand, and their relationship with their fellow people who have been freed. Otherwise... say zion is lost at the end of the movie, or in the next... you might think, wtf, who cares... wow... so they dont have a place to be... but that scene helps to generate more care for zion, and the people, etc...

as far as the sex... maybe they cant do it everyday on the ship... maybe theirs some rule, etc... tell me this... your out with your girl friend on a road trip, away from home, and u stay say in your van the whole trip, ya u can have sex, great... but how much better is it going to be, when you back at your home, safe secure, more room, better conditions, not our traveling around, etc... much nicer isnt it?

if i had a choice... sex in my car her car, which is fun and dandy at times, or sex at home, in one our beds... its a no brainer... and the point of dragging it out... once again, to help show how closse they are, and give more reason for neos choice at the end of the film

**sred2003** · 05-16-2003, 04:39 PM

well there is some sort of connection between agent smith and neo
that is a fact. smith even says some things about it when they first meet
in reloaded. when neo dove/hacked into smiths body and destroyed him
some type of merging or change to BOTH of there codes was made.
which seems to have something to do with neos new powers in reloaded.
one of which is he can sense when the machines are near. he didn't have
that ability in the first movie. this will obviously be explained in revolutions
and we have to wait 6 months for that. better than waiting 4 years

**thegroggman** · 05-16-2003, 07:53 PM

My 2 cents. I think that the 'real world' included Zion, is just another Matrix that the architect designed to control that .1% of the population who are anomalies. Its a failsafe, thats why Neo can control the machines in that world too. Remember when Neo says that something is different and how he can sense the machines maybe that was hime realizing that they were inside another Matrix. And quite possibly what they saw as him falling into a comma was actually him waking up once again. It would also explain how Agent Smith being a virus could exist in the Zion world. Then again who knows. Just a thought though. B)

Edit: Whoops, didnt notice that Razz had just said the same thing. Sorry bout that.

**ImpactPlayer** · 05-16-2003, 08:44 PM

saw the movie last night and thought it was totally amazing.

i have a few questions though and was wondering if you guys could help clear this up.

has zion been destroyed in the past? my friend says zion has been destroyed 5 times, i say its the matrix that was destroyed 5 times.

when neo had to make the choice, to end everything or to choose one person to rebuild zion, he was the first one to choose to destroy everything right?

what do you think the french guy at the restaurant meant when he said that he has survived the 5 previous "ones"? and what exactly is his role? how powerful is he?

do you think the twins survived?

im mainly just confused on the ending with what the architect said about zion and the ending of the matrix.

**thegroggman** · 05-16-2003, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by ImpactPlayer@16 May 2003 - 21:44
saw the movie last night and thought it was totally amazing.

i have a few questions though and was wondering if you guys could help clear this up.

has zion been destroyed in the past? my friend says zion has been destroyed 5 times, i say its the matrix that was destroyed 5 times.

when neo had to make the choice, to end everything or to choose one person to rebuild zion, he was the first one to choose to destroy everything right?

what do you think the french guy at the restaurant meant when he said that he has survived the 5 previous "ones"? and what exactly is his role? how powerful is he?

do you think the twins survived?

im mainly just confused on the ending with what the architect said about zion and the ending of the matrix.

Well according to what the Architect said, Zion has been destroyed five times. But there have also been multiple incarnations of the Matrix. And also according to the Architect, every 'One' prior to Neo chose to rebuild Zion. Not quite sure what the French guy meant, some say that he is just another old program, but wouldnt it be interesting if at one point he was a One? His wife (the stunning Monica Belucci) did hint at this when she told Neo that he reminded her of her husband. And yeah Im pretty sure the twins survived, when they were blasted into the air, at the last second the phased into their Ghost forms, so Im pretty sure we havent heard the last of them.

**Razz** · 05-16-2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by thegroggman@16 May 2003 - 20:53
My 2 cents. I think that the 'real world' included Zion, is just another Matrix that the architect designed to control that .1% of the population who are anomalies. Its a failsafe, thats why Neo can control the machines in that world too. Remember when Neo says that something is different and how he can sense the machines maybe that was hime realizing that they were inside another Matrix. And quite possibly what they saw as him falling into a comma was actually him waking up once again. It would also explain how Agent Smith being a virus could exist in the Zion world. Then again who knows. Just a thought though. B)

i believe i just said that

, like in 13th floor

**Schmiggy_JK23** · 05-16-2003, 09:10 PM

ImpactPlayer: (nice name btw, reference to the ECW click by chance?) Ill try to assist you here.

1. Yes, the architect says this will be the 6th time we have destroyed it, and that they have become extremely proficient at it... so 5 times before, in the matrixs past, the group of rebels has sprung up, because the probability of people accepting the "program"/matrix is only 99%... but that it gets worse, and inevitably will lead to destruction.

2. Yes, by chosing to save trinity, he chose to supposedly forsake zion, all the people in the matrix, and everyone in existance.... bringing about all of their doom, and that the machines would be willing to live with that form of survival on their part, being limited, because they would find some way to go on.

3. At first I thought maybe the french guy was one of the previous ones, but listening to the architect for a third time, he says all the previous one made the choice to return to "the source" ie the core of the matrix, and restart zion... so i would think, they would decompile their code, because it says the matrix takes the anomalies code, and uses it for the next matrix build... so i dont think he is the one now, but I think in a way, hes sorta like agent smith, that he has been freed from the matrix, which he had a previous role, and he just chosen to simply live his life as he pleases... where as smith seems to want utter control, and replication of the matrix...

4. The twins, i dunno. If u watch the explosion, they "ghost" out after it happens, whether to save themselves like they had from previous attacks, or one final time, as they died, im not sure.

as far the ending of the matrix, according the architect, the matrix will seemingly die, or be done with, at some point in the next movie, because neo chose to not restart it so to speak, and let the program digest his anommaly, so it could try to prevent it in the next incarnation of the matrix.... so we will see how neo plans to cover his fuck up, i presume, in the next one.

*btw, I am glad this thread is running smoothly, away from all the other matrix shite on this board, this is actually intellectually stimlutation, and a good read, keep it up guys!*

**thegroggman** · 05-16-2003, 09:19 PM

To help the Matrix within a Matrix theory, anyone else notice how in the Zion world everything had a slight blue tone. Just as everything in the Matrix had a slight green one. Now if it was the real world wouldnt it have no tone? Again just a thought. maybe it was just purely cosmetic by the directors to distinguish between the two worlds...or maybe its something more. Oh on an interesting note, wouldnt it be ironic if in the 'real' world outside of Zion (if the double Matrix theory is true), that humans were the ones controlling everything?

**4play** · 05-16-2003, 09:42 PM

yeah that would be a cool thing to have a matrix in a matrix which seems pretty likely to me. Why would the architect let 1% of all people escape where he could not control them.

that humans were the ones controlling everything?

maybe even one person controlling the matrix.
since A.I is not really possible in my opinion. Machines only do what we tell them to do.
like the oracle says the matrix is just aload of programs running.

The architect would have to just be a very old program that we left in charge of too much power. A bit like skynet in the terminator films. This would mean he is the original program and hence would probably be flawed.

As im always seeing on cracking sites. copy protection code is writen by humans so it is fundementally flawed.