*official Matrix Chat* Reloaded & Revolution Chat

**ripley02** · 05-19-2003, 03:14 PM

i dont know if this has any meaning to anything but when trinity dies he reaches into her body as opposed to smith where he stabs into a persons body. and neo can bring a person back to life but how? and smith can duplicate himself.

kinda the same but not really?

**Hazzy Hazz** · 05-19-2003, 03:35 PM

Did anyone know, the girl who eats the cake is the 'lady in the red dress' from the first movie? Haha

**kildred11** · 05-19-2003, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by ripley02@19 May 2003 - 15:31
all i gotta say after seeing this over the weekend is DAMN!! it was totally bad ass in every way but i see i wasnt the only one who was a bit confused. and i cant believe i missed the revolutions trailer. but i think i dl'd it from another thread so i hope it's the same one!!

i think revolutions is gonna finally answer all these questions, at least we can hope it does.

Nope the trailer after the Reloaded movie is a lot different than the one in the forums. Good to see them both. Not sure why there is already two trailers for revalutions now though.

**Echo and Bounce** · 05-19-2003, 09:40 PM

so he could be the one as well since there is speculation over neo being part human part machine.
i do not really agree with this one since the oracle set it all up to get rid of abnormalities in the matrix which would mean he has to human.

The architect said the oracle did this to 99%, Neo being "The One" may therefore be the 1% she missed!

**dlingeverything** · 05-19-2003, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by ripley02@19 May 2003 - 16:14
i dont know if this has any meaning to anything but when trinity dies he reaches into her body as opposed to smith where he stabs into a persons body. and neo can bring a person back to life but how? and smith can duplicate himself.

kinda the same but not really?

Neo reaches into trinity's body and takes out the bullet (you have to look closely). She then dies but he reaches in again to get her heart pumping. Weird.

**Schmiggy_JK23** · 05-19-2003, 11:10 PM

The Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions (MAJOR SPOILERS): The hour of video throughout the "Enter the Matrix" computer game which was written/directed by the Wachowskis and filmed concurrently with the two movies, contains major spoilers for "Revolutions" and some backstory for "Reloaded". 'TwelveStones' has gathered the key juicy info he could find during these video segments and reveals them here - be well aware though that all this includes MAJOR spoilers for Reloaded and Revolutions so don't go shooting the messenger ok. Lets begin:

"The Oracle (played by an actress named Mary Alice, due to Gloria Foster's death; I assume this means that Mary Alice will play the Oracle in Revolutions, as well) states that a "special child" who will "change the world" is the child of two programs similar to herself. If she means Neo, this would suggest that Neo is a program and thus that Zion is still part of the Matrix. The Oracle says the two programs betrayed her for their love by giving Merovingian (the French information-collector guy, played by Lambert Wilson) her termination key. The Oracle allowed this because she wanted the programs to have their special child.

A hobo with longish blond hair who also appears in the Revolutions trailer has a conversation with Niobe (Jada Pinket-Smith) in which he reveals that the Zion before this one "only lasted 72 hours". Niobe volunteered to be the second ship to enter the Matrix and contact the Nebuchadnezzar because her boyfriend, Command Lock revealed to her that he had arranged for her ship, the Logos, to be the only one not to participate in the defense of Zion, in order to protect her, and she was angry. At the end of the events of Reloaded, Niobi and Ghost's hovercraft (Logos) has crashed in an uncharted underground area and they do not know how they will be found and rescued".

taken from Dark Horizons

**thegroggman** · 05-19-2003, 11:14 PM

Huh...well the more and more I read all of this stuff. The more and more it seems to be leaning towards a double matrix theory. And if the Oracle does mean Neo...well than that just about puts the nail in the coffin...

**ClubDiggler** · 05-20-2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Schmiggy_JK23@15 May 2003 - 06:24

Okay, now heres my thoughts.

1. The ending first and foremost. Who was that guy? Across the way from neo?

2. How the hell did neo sense the machines, and seemingly stop them at the end, in the "real world"?

I certainly agree with your thought.

1. That was definetly Smith.

2. I think Neo stop those machines because they are still conected to the matrix. I
think they never got out. I think in the first movie they broke from one matrix world to
another. So they are closer to getting out. The question is besides "what is the Matrix"
How manu subworlds has the matix designed for everyone. I think Neo was able to stop
those machines because he is still in the virtual world therefore having unlimited power.

I hope of course that the third movie will tie everything together. B)

**scruge** · 05-20-2003, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by Schmiggy_JK23@20 May 2003 - 00:10

A hobo with longish blond hair who also appears in the Revolutions trailer has a conversation with Niobe (Jada Pinket-Smith) in which he reveals that the Zion before this one "only lasted 72 hours".

I think this hobo is the man Neo sees being escorted out of the restuarant as they arrive to meet the Frenchman.

**tyk** · 05-20-2003, 06:47 AM

Matrix within matrix... hmm.... very interesting. But I'm more interested in the French guy.

1) He was introduced by Oracle to Neo in the park b4 the infamous 'I need more' Smiths and Neo fight. Oracle hinted that he was an old program and mentioned the sentance 'What does a person in power wants? More power'.

2) When Neo & gangs met up with him in the restuarant, he question Neo 'do u know why u r here?' and he concluded by saying 'U r here because u were told to do so'. He later demostrate his programming skill in that special cake served to the lady (someone mentioned she is the Lady In Red, I didn't even aware).

3) His wife bring Neo & gangs to the washroom and propose a kiss from Neo in exchange for the key maker. 'He was like u when we first came here' she said.

4) When Neo defeated all his bodyguards (his protectors were sent to recapture key maker), the French guy mentioned 'I'd survive the previous 5 attack' (not the exact words though) b4 he turned and fleet.

Q: What role does he play in the matrix?

No doubt he is one of the VIP (very important program). He has 2 protectors (the twins), and even Oracle mentioned he is a man in power. He is very much like the Oracle, he emphasize 'cause and effect' while she focus on 'choice'; they both specialise in human behaviour and always experimenting & observing human reaction (their approach are different). They are very human (the caring, kind and wise Oracle. The evil and power hunger French), is this a programming fault when AI come too close in contact with human?

Q: What's with the power thing?

He can bend rules, or in his context change the programming code of object (a normal cake becomes a sexual stimulant). What is the power he seek after? Doing whatever he wants? Taking over matrix? Reforming the matrix world?

Q: Is he The One as propose by others?

1st approach - Yes he is.
He had to be the 1st generation as he mentioned 'I'd survive the previous 5 attack'. What I meant is he had to fight against his conscience and eventually he give in to his evil part. But the Architect did mentioned all previous The One choose to restart matrix and became part of the rebuilding process. Can it be a pact is made between him and the Architect. The Architect may paint him a picture or revealing the whole truth to him which is so depressing that The One had to admit the continuing of matrix is the only way for human survival. The Architect may then propose the rebuilding process, asking The One to join him in the continuation of human-machine survival. Architect may offer him a vital role in the process, one that is in search of human behaviour or essence of human emotion. In exchange, The One will agree to merge with the matrix giving his unique codes he carried in his body for Architect to study.

He and his wife resemble Neo and Trinity, which account for his wife sentence in the washroom. So why he ended up as more-or-less a bad guy? Power corrupts, absolute power corrupt absolutely? Why he kept the key maker? He do not want more fallen angels to emerge? Side-track abit, by this school of thoughts, Oracle can be considered one of the fallen angels or previous The One.

2nd approach - No he isn't.
He is a program and remains a program. The sentence 'I'd survived the previous 5 attack' atates very clearly he is the target of The Ones, maybe his responsibility is to safeguard the passage to the source (initially). His wife's sentence in the washroom just indicate he may be a program to simulate human in order to study and better understand human behaviour and emotions. He chose one of the human and reveal the truth to her and experiencing the most crucial emotion and feeling of human - Love. As he get more involve with human, he was corrupted, he become addicted to power and sex. But again, why matrix given him that much control? Why didn't agents being sent to 'delete' him? Why he didn't re-programme his wife to be the most ideal wife in the world?

This can keep going, and his twins protectors interests me so much that I like to address them seperately, next time maybe.