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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman™ View Post
    So no, that's not simple enough. That first post above reminds of a statement issued by a spokeman of company. If that's your stance, you may as well had said nothing.
    And if all you can do is bitch, maybe you should say nothing.

    You also prompt me to do another C & P, which you need not read, as you are more comfortable spouting from the shade of your ignorance.

    Climate of fear

    By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | December 24, 2006

    BACK IN 1961, Rod Serling set an episode of "The Twilight Zone" in New York City at a time of uncontrolled global warming. Somehow the Earth's orbit had shifted, and the planet was moving inexorably toward the sun. "This is the eve of the end," Serling intoned in his introduction. "Because even at midnight it's high noon, the hottest day in history, and you're about to spend it -- in the Twilight Zone."

    The episode revolves around a few desperate New Yorkers struggling to survive the murderous heat. As the temperature climbs, social order crumbles. An intruder, crazed with thirst, breaks into an apartment to steal water. An elderly woman collapses and dies. Thermometers shatter, their mercury boiling over. Finally Norma, the main character, screams and passes out. Then comes the twist: Norma wakes up to find that it's snowing outside. She'd been having a nightmare. The Earth isn't hurtling toward the sun, after all; it's spinning away from the sun. The world isn't going to end in searing heat, but in a dark and deathly deep-freeze. Fade to credits.

    Well, that's climate change for you. Maybe Mother Earth is warming up, or maybe she's cooling down, but either way it's always bad news.

    Here, for example, is former vice president Al Gore in 2006, on the threat posed by global warming: "Our ability to live is what is at stake." It doesn't get much more dire than that.

    Yet here is climatologist Reid Bryson, in Fortune magazine's award-winning analysis of global cooling in 1974: "It is something that, if it continues, will affect the whole human occupation of the earth -- like a billion people starving." It doesn't get much more dire than that, either.

    Bryson's article is quoted in "Fire and Ice," a richly documented report by the Business & Meida Institute, an arm of the Media Research Center. Climate-change alarmism is at least a century old, and the report offers many examples of it:

    In 1902, the Los Angeles Times reported that the great glaciers were undergoing "their final annihilation" due to rising temperatures. But by 1923, it was the ice that was doing the annihilating: "Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada," the Chicago Tribune declared on Page 1.

    So it was curtains for the Canadians? Uh, not quite. In 1953, The New York Times announced that "nearly all the great ice sheets are in retreat." Yet no sooner did our neighbors to the north breathe a sigh of relief than it turned out they weren't off the hook after all: "The rapid advance of some glaciers," wrote Lowell Ponte in "The Cooling," his 1976 bestseller, "has threatened human settlements in Alaska, Iceland, Canada, China, and the Soviet Union." And now? "Arctic Ice Is Melting at Record Level, Scientists Say," the Times reported in 2002.

    Over the years, the alarmists have veered from an obsession with lethal global cooling around the turn of the 20th century to lethal global warming a generation later, back to cooling in the 1970s and now to warming once again. You don't have to be a scientist to realize that all these competing narratives of doom can't be true. Or to wonder whether any of them are.

    Perhaps that is why most Americans discount the climate-change fear-mongering that is so fashionable among journalists and politicians. Last spring, as Time magazine was hyperventilating about global warming ("The debate is over. Global warming is upon us -- with a vengeance. From floods to fires, droughts to storms, the climate is crashing"), a Gallup poll was finding that only 36 percent of the public say they worry "a great deal" about it.

    Still, there is always a market for apocalyptic forebodings. Paul Ehrlich grew rich predicting the imminent deaths of hundreds of millions of human beings from starvation and epidemic disease. "The Limits to Growth," the Club of Rome's 1972 bestseller, warned that humankind was going to experience "a rather sudden and uncontrollable decline" as the world's resources -- everything from gold to petroleum -- ran dry. Jonathan Schell and Carl Sagan forecast a devastating "nuclear winter" unless atomic arsenals were frozen, or better still, abolished. Those doomsday prophesies never came to pass. Neither have the climate-change catastrophes that have been bruited about for a century.

    "The whole aim of practical politics," wrote H.L. Mencken in 1920, "is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." Some things never change.
    scientific theory changes. in 1902 we didn't have satellites FFS. in 1976 the fastest computer in the world was 80mhz and cost $5million.

    nowadays hundreds of thousands of people are analyzing possible paths the climate could take to work out the most likely outcome. by making an average of the results of more theories than has been done since we started even started to care, we see that global temperatures are rising.

    you should check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climateprediction.net

    maybe if you try and understand how stuff works you'll be able to make up your own mind instead of just listen to your local exxon employee



    i do think it's cute though that you have "The whole aim of practical politics," wrote H.L. Mencken in 1920, "is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." Some things never change.

    two inches away from Tell you what...we'll do it your way.

    Afterward, when we're standing amid the wreckage, I promise I won't say, "I told you so..."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman™ View Post
    Nope I didn't read it. If you wanna talk about ignorant, bring up the fact that you have nary a word to say until there is finally something backing your stance.

    When there's overwhelming scientific backing of an opposing stance well.......
    You didn't read it?

    Who's ignorant, then?

    BTW-

    If I have had "nary a word" to say about global-warming, then where have all these global-warming threads come from?

    Find for me such a thread in which I have not participated.

    Honestly, I have to give you credit...merely being wrong isn't enough for you, you're always willing to go that extra mile, aren't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman™ View Post
    71 degrees today in the DC area.

    Normally we have snow and ice on the ground. I could go outside with a short sleeve shirt and shorts.
    I'll bet you won't, though, 'cuz it would be out of season.

    Might I suggest you enjoy the weather; go to the beach, get a tan.

    Here's a question:

    What if the polar ice caps start to melt, but then stop?

    What if the "carnage" of our impending inundation claims nothing beyond the odd island here or there?

    Lake Superior is waaaaaaaaaaay down...I have heard that a few eskimo entrepeneurs have started a huge new glacier, with the aim of ransoming it Bush for large cash.

    As you are closer to the Halls of Power, I was wondering if you'd heard anything?
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

    -Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by GepperRankins View Post
    you should check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climateprediction.net

    maybe if you try and understand how stuff works you'll be able to make up your own mind instead of just listen to your local exxon employee
    So, by way of attempting to relieve me of my ignorance, you refer me to a wikipedia link, wherein is contained the word "prediction"?

    Tell me:

    Why do you think it isn't called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate.we're.fried.net?

    Anyone who refers anyone else to anything with the word "wikipedia" in it is pretty weak.
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

    -Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GepperRankins View Post
    you should check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climateprediction.net

    maybe if you try and understand how stuff works you'll be able to make up your own mind instead of just listen to your local exxon employee
    So, by way of attempting to relieve me of my ignorance, you refer me to a wikipedia link, wherein is contained the word "prediction"?

    Tell me:

    Why do you think it isn't called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate.we're.fried.net?

    Anyone who refers anyone else to anything with the word "wikipedia" in it is pretty weak.
    oh that's nice. selective quoting to make me look good. please to be doing more of that.

    the wikipedia article describes the scientific process involved. it's not an article that tries to pass off opinion as fact nor does it even speculate anything. it just says this is how it works, this is what sets it apart from other experiments. you should like it, it's probably a direct copy and paste. the page also contains links to other stuff about the experiment.


    prediction would be the word used by people for prediction, btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by J2k4
    Might I suggest you enjoy the weather; go to the beach, get a tan.
    Yeah, Busy, go get a tan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GepperRankins View Post
    prediction would be the word used by people for prediction, btw
    Which word you obviously define as "sure thing".

    Ah, wikipedia.

    It's good for what ails you, isn't it?
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

    -Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GepperRankins View Post
    prediction would be the word used by people for prediction, btw
    Which word you obviously define as "sure thing".

    Ah, wikipedia.

    It's good for what ails you, isn't it?
    oh, so we're playing that game.

    i'll have a turn then i'll fuck off and do something useful.



    how about...


    prediction is the word used to describe a probable outcome.

    absolute bollocks is the word used to describe the bullshit and obfuscation used to keep the right wing herd in place. they gotta be fed a nonsensical editorial every so often because if you don't give someone their fix they might think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GepperRankins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post

    Which word you obviously define as "sure thing".

    Ah, wikipedia.

    It's good for what ails you, isn't it?
    oh, so we're playing that game.

    i'll have a turn then i'll fuck off and do something useful.



    how about...


    prediction is the word used to describe a probable outcome.

    absolute bollocks is the word used to describe the bullshit and obfuscation used to keep the right wing herd in place. they gotta be fed a nonsensical editorial every so often because if you don't give someone their fix they might think.
    Now, let's try this:

    You and I disagree on very little, as regards the actual facts of global warming.

    Is it warmer?

    Yup.

    That is the sole verifiable fact.

    The rest is up to one's individual sensibilities:

    Is global warming irreversible?

    Some say yes, some say no.

    Is global warming (to a measurable degree) caused by man?

    Again, some yes, some no.

    Can global warming be affected positively by man (that is to say, can man, by virtue of his living habits, lower the earth's temperature)?

    Some yes, some no.

    Should man exercise discretion and economy as regards consumption?

    You would say "Yes, so that we might save the planet!"

    I would say "Yes, because it only makes sense to do so."

    When viewed through the lens of history, is global warming even a bad thing?

    Nobody seems to want to talk about that, oddly enough.

    An Island in the Indian Ocean goes under, but Greenland is suddenly very hospitable, climate-wise, and Iceland contemplates a name-change.

    Coastal areas are redefined.

    Water shortages are no longer a problem.

    Brown people reign hold dominion over all, and white folk become extinct.

    What's the problem?
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

    -Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    When viewed through the lens of history, is global warming even a bad thing?

    Nobody seems to want to talk about that, oddly enough.

    An Island in the Indian Ocean goes under, but Greenland is suddenly very hospitable, climate-wise, and Iceland contemplates a name-change.

    Coastal areas are redefined.

    Water shortages are no longer a problem.

    Brown people reign hold dominion over all, and white folk become extinct.

    What's the problem?
    Well, if it gets hot enough, it gets really cold, apparently.

    Melt enough of the glaciers of our poles and the colder water released from them will mess up the gulf stream and eventually prompt a new ice age.

    I don't know how far off we are tho', too many nutters on both sides messing with the facts.

    As for history, well, I don't suppose people in venice getting closer to losing their homes matters much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GepperRankins View Post
    oh, so we're playing that game.

    i'll have a turn then i'll fuck off and do something useful.



    how about...


    prediction is the word used to describe a probable outcome.

    absolute bollocks is the word used to describe the bullshit and obfuscation used to keep the right wing herd in place. they gotta be fed a nonsensical editorial every so often because if you don't give someone their fix they might think.
    Now, let's try this:

    You and I disagree on very little, as regards the actual facts of global warming.

    Is it warmer?

    Yup.

    That is the sole verifiable fact.

    The rest is up to one's individual sensibilities:

    Is global warming irreversible?

    Some say yes, some say no.

    Is global warming (to a measurable degree) caused by man?

    Again, some yes, some no.

    Can global warming be affected positively by man (that is to say, can man, by virtue of his living habits, lower the earth's temperature)?

    Some yes, some no.

    Should man exercise discretion and economy as regards consumption?

    You would say "Yes, so that we might save the planet!"

    I would say "Yes, because it only makes sense to do so."

    When viewed through the lens of history, is global warming even a bad thing?

    Nobody seems to want to talk about that, oddly enough.

    An Island in the Indian Ocean goes under, but Greenland is suddenly very hospitable, climate-wise, and Iceland contemplates a name-change.

    Coastal areas are redefined.

    Water shortages are no longer a problem.

    Brown people reign hold dominion over all, and white folk become extinct.

    What's the problem?
    if we both agree that we should do something about it, why do you keep insisting that we shouldn't? why do you keep posting stuff to try and make out the scientific process is completely useless. why act like it's an attack on republicans?

    an island in the indian ocean goes under - people die or lose homes. and remember all the space we lose is just that, lost. so that's food and living space lost.

    i don't know where you got the thing about water shortages, we get hosepipe bans in britain and it's a small island in comparison to most places. i think it's because the hot weather evapourates the water from reservoirs. so a warmer climate is a bad thing.

    right now the world seems to be about as hospitable as it can be. most of the land happens to be in the right place for an ecosystem to support us. the poles are freezing and the equator is uncomfortable and white folks get skin cancer there.

    change really would be quite a bad thing
    Last edited by GepperRankins; 01-06-2007 at 08:04 PM. Reason: fixed a sentence

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