Palestine Or Israel?

[human_pet]

Originally posted by The Knife Thrower+21 June 2003 - 12:00--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Knife Thrower &#064; 21 June 2003 - 12:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by human_pet@21 June 2003 - 11:04
<!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced

@21 June 2003 - 10:49

The trouble with dealing with Hamas is that its a Fundamental Organisation, that wants EVERYONE that is not practicing the Old Islamic Law (THEIR version) dead.

Israel is only the short term goal. Their long term Goal is the world...

May I know where you get the idea that Hamas wants to take over the world? As far As I know,they only want their country to be free from zionists.....and I don&#39;t see anything wrong with that,Since they don&#39;t have much weopons other than rocks.I think it&#39;s only fair that they use other means (like "blowing themselves up") .

Salam/Peace

I agree that theres nothing wrong with blowing themselves up. But getting some teenager to blow up a bunch of civilians is wrong. The true martyrs are the ones who blow up military targets. [/b][/quote]
Civilians?um,correct me if i&#39;m wrong are they (civilians) also invaded the country?Who the heck told them that they can kick out the natives and make them refugees?I think Hamas are killing far more fewer civilians than the occupiers.

Salam/Peace

Salam/Peace

[clocker]

Human Pet,

Do you think that Hamas should support the newly proposed Palestinian Constitution?

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by human_pet+21 June 2003 - 11:04--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (human_pet @ 21 June 2003 - 11:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@21 June 2003 - 10:49

The trouble with dealing with Hamas is that its a Fundamental Organisation, that wants EVERYONE that is not practicing the Old Islamic Law (THEIR version) dead.

Israel is only the short term goal. Their long term Goal is the world...

May I know where you get the idea that Hamas wants to take over the world? As far As I know,they only want their country to be free from zionists.....and I don&#39;t see anything wrong with that,Since they don&#39;t have much weopons other than rocks.I think it&#39;s only fair that they use other means (like "blowing themselves up") .

Salam/Peace [/b][/quote]
I posted a link with the history and Goals of Hamas.

Hamas, although popular in Pallestine at the moment, did not even originate there. Its NOT a Pallestinian Organisation, fighting for their freedom from Israel. They are popular only because they fight Israel, while the PLO (Pallestine Authority) are seen as not fighting Israel at the moment.

Their goals are Fundamentalist Islamic, and they believe EVERYONE should be living by THEIR version of Islamic Law.

As they are Religious Fanatics, with a warped outlook on everyone not one of them, then its pointless &#39;negotiating&#39; with them...as we cannot give consetions to this sort of Organisation.

Neither I, nor anyone I know, wish to live by Islamic Law.....and thats the only thing they will settle for.

On the other hand, the PLO is a Nationalist organisation with stated goals that can be negotiated, and have been in the past. The Pallestinian Authority is widely believed to be the PLO in a civilized guise....as Arrafat is leader of the Authority, and if not still leader of the PLO...then certainly still has a lot of influence.

[cooolway]

Christian and Islam are relatively same. Both religions believe in Adam and Eve. Both religions believe the theory of Adam and Eve. They believe in Noah, Mary, Jesus, David, Moses. They call
"Satan" "Sha-taan"
"Adam" "Aadum"
"Moses" "Mosa"
"David" "Daaud"
"Jesus" "Eesa"
"Mary" "Marium"
They even believe some of the stuff in the bible.

[human_pet]

Originally posted by clocker@21 June 2003 - 15:09
Human Pet,

Do you think that Hamas should support the newly proposed Palestinian Constitution?

Umm,Sorry,i&#39;ve not been reading the Newz Paper lately,when you say Palestinian Constitution,are you talking about the .... &#39;Road Map&#39; ? If you&#39;re talking bout the Road Map,I don&#39;t think it&#39;s right for other people to decide what to do with the land,it is for the natives to have a say, not other people,and btw ,I do not view that as a peaceful resolution but a form of surrender,and I do not support people who surrenders to their enemy...

Peace/Salam...

[clocker]

No, I&#39;m not talking about road maps.
I&#39;m talking about the Constitution


Edit: fix link

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by human_pet+22 June 2003 - 12:51--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (human_pet @ 22 June 2003 - 12:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@21 June 2003 - 15:09
Human Pet,

Do you think that Hamas should support the newly proposed Palestinian Constitution?

Umm,Sorry,i&#39;ve not been reading the Newz Paper lately,when you say Palestinian Constitution,are you talking about the .... &#39;Road Map&#39; ? If you&#39;re talking bout the Road Map,I don&#39;t think it&#39;s right for other people to decide what to do with the land,it is for the natives to have a say, not other people,and btw ,I do not view that as a peaceful resolution but a form of surrender,and I do not support people who surrenders to their enemy...

Peace/Salam... [/b][/quote]
You can support something that saves the lives of the people without supporting those that stole the land.

The two are not mutualy exclusive.


@ Clocker

That link doesnt work for me. Page not Available

[clocker]

Fixed link.
Retry.
www.jmcc.org/documents/palestineconstitution-eng.pdf+palestine+constitution&hl=en&ie=UTF-8]Or try here.[/url]

[Rat Faced]

Borders Prior to June 1967....

That is, in effect, a recognition of Israel, and its right to be there....just not its current illegal borders, as recognised by UN resolutions

Its also a constitution based on Democracy, Free Market and Human Rights...including Religious Freedom.



And it was written at the request of.............the PLO.


ShockAndAwe........over to you.

[clocker]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@22 June 2003 - 17:33
Borders Prior to June 1967....

That is, in effect, a recognition of Israel, and its right to be there....just not its current illegal borders, as recognised by UN resolutions

Its also a constitution based on Democracy, Free Market and Human Rights...including Religious Freedom.



And it was written at the request of.............the PLO.


ShockAndAwe........over to you.

Pardon me for butting into line, Rat.

Hamas is going to gag on that constitution.

What is this "written at the request of the PLO&#39; all about?