Palestine Or Israel?

[brynasmith]

You think that everyone here in Israel wants peace?
OK there are SOME people that want peace- Some Israelie's and some palastiniens, but both of them also have a good %% that don't want peace they want to live without the other at all, and because of that any agreement that is met will not be recieved by everyone and thus will bring to more problems than there already is.

[brynasmith]

you write: being scared of terrorism sounds a bit like a relaxed version of a military curfew.
helicopter rocket attacks, armoured bulldozers, sniper towers, checkpoints and attacks upon ambulances seem a bit more extreme in terms of threat levels when compared to rock throwing and the occasional kamikaze sniper or human-bomb
i don't envy the plight of israelis but i cannot support their actions either, sharon is a war-criminal as well as being prime minister & the IDF is a state terrorist organisation

Do you know that every attack the Israelie's have made has been as a respond to attacks the arabs have done, are you trying to say that it isn't right for them to do this? that we should just sit here and let them bomb us all away?

[denis123]

@Brynasmith:

What more problems could there possibly be, than there already is?

[denis123]

Originally posted by brynasmith@22 July 2003 - 20:27


are you trying to say that it isn't right for them to do this? that we should just sit here and let them bomb us all away?

I am afraid so if you wish to put an end to the spiral of violence.

[brynasmith]

Tibz, you write: wat im tryin to say is that the palestinians were there first and no matter wat land cannot be taken away unless sold
Obviosly you don't know your history, but the jewish nation was is in Israel before the Arabs or anyone else, and there has never been a time when Isreal didn't have any jews in it, sometimes there were very few that people may not remember but they were there. So what does that mean? that the arabs should leave? maybe now you think a little diffrent hu?
Another thing: land also changs hands by war, no? isn't that whats happened throughout the history? are you saying that that doesn't count? than maybe you should try and fix the WHOLE world and not only Israel.

[brynasmith]

life here in Israel can be a lot worse, like someone here already gave the great Idea that there shouldn't be anymore check points, do you know what that would mean???!!!
Do you know how many bombers the israelie's catch by those chack points??!!! and do you know that those would be bombers get realesed a few days later because they didn't DO NOTHING!! think of what would be if there were no check points?? I wouldn't be alive to tell about it.
Do you know that the Israelie goverment pays the family's of the suiside bombers money to live after they are dead?? they do that even after that bomber kills people, I wouldn't say that the goverment are war criminals (not that I agree with the fact that they give them money to live on)

[Rat Faced]

you write: being scared of terrorism sounds a bit like a relaxed version of a military curfew.
helicopter rocket attacks, armoured bulldozers, sniper towers, checkpoints and attacks upon ambulances seem a bit more extreme in terms of threat levels when compared to rock throwing and the occasional kamikaze sniper or human-bomb
i don't envy the plight of israelis but i cannot support their actions either, sharon is a war-criminal as well as being prime minister & the IDF is a state terrorist organisation

Do you know that every attack the Israelie's have made has been as a respond to attacks the arabs have done, are you trying to say that it isn't right for them to do this? that we should just sit here and let them bomb us all away?

So the UK should have bombed the crap out of The Republic of Ireland when being attacked by the IRA?

Crap.

If you lower yourself to the level of terrorists then dont be surprised when you in turn are called terrorists.

Tibz, you write: wat im tryin to say is that the palestinians were there first and no matter wat land cannot be taken away unless sold
Obviosly you don't know your history, but the jewish nation was is in Israel before the Arabs or anyone else, and there has never been a time when Isreal didn't have any jews in it, sometimes there were very few that people may not remember but they were there. So what does that mean? that the arabs should leave? maybe now you think a little diffrent hu?

The Jews were in Israel and Left.

The Articles of the PLO when it was founded, described Jews that were already in Palestine before the creation of Israel as Palestinians, its the invaders that came AFTER that they objected to.

As to saying that the Jewish nation was there before the Arabs....wasnt Israel the "Promised Land"? And wasnt it occupied BEFORE the Israelis moved in even then?

Its immaterial though...because you have just stated that USA should be given back to the Native Americans and Australia to the Aborigini's.....etc etc etc

Israel exists now, its a done deal.....it was the Creation of Israel by the UN that was the mistake, however there is no turning the clock back. It exists and is the home of Israeli's born and bred there, taking it away now is as bad as creating it in the 1st place.

You stated earlier that Israel was created by war....exactly.

By the same tactics you are now condemning in the Palestinians...ie Terrorism.

If you want to debate, then debate....but please at least add facts to your beliefs, instead of "I say, therefore its right"....makes you sound like Bush.

[echidna]

here here Rat Faced, you took the words out of my mouth,
put simply
somebody has to stop punching before the fight can end

[BTW :: it seems that joshua in the first israeli invasion of Canaan was the leader of the first military genocide, prior to joshua's subjugation of the land of milk and honey armies integrated the cultures they conquered into their own fold and/or took tribute, it's no real wonder why ultra-orthodox fanatics shoot at and attack archaeologists trying to study in israel, they don't want more evidence of this jewish first coming to light]

[brynasmith]

before the jews came to Israel there were 7 other MAIN nations living there. NONE of these nations are still here today. My family has lived in Israelfor a 1000 years and they weren't the only jews living here.
I'm know the we the Israelie's shouldn't do what we are doing, but what do you Want US to DO??? Everyone has to defend themselves from voilince, is there anyway other to do that?? what do you want us to do?

[denis123]

You"ve already been given the answer to that, but you just ingnore it and start asking the same question again.