Originally posted by brynasmith+23 July 2003 - 16:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (brynasmith @ 23 July 2003 - 16:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>before the jews came to Israel there were 7 other MAIN nations living there. NONE of these nations are still here today. My family has lived in Israelfor a 1000 years and they weren't the only jews living here.
I'm know the we the Israelie's shouldn't do what we are doing, but what do you Want US to DO??? Everyone has to defend themselves from voilince, is there anyway other to do that?? what do you want us to do?[/b]
israel did not exist 1000 years ago
the roman empire sacked jerusalem about 70AD ending the israel of david, herod and solomon and modern israel was mandated by the UN in 1947 and had been demanded by the first international zionist congress in 1897
nations are an idea invented in the french revolution (1792ish) and 1000 years ago was the period where the land now being called israel was changing hands from the arabs to the turks [a bit before the crusades got into full swing]
here is a bit of a run down [up to 1987];
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Stone Age: ca. 4000 BC: Earliest settlements on present location of Jerusalem.
Bronze Age: ca. 3000 BC: Canaanites were the people of Palestine. Migration of the Semite to Palestine. (Ancient Jerusalem was located on an area of ca. 4,7 hectares)
Canaanites and Philistines:
ca. 2500 BC: Canaanites in Palestine; Jerusalem (Ursalem) built by Jebusites, a Canaanite tribe.
ca. 1842 BC: First mention of Jerusalem in a written text (Egyptian): Abraham greeted at Salem in the name of the "most high God".
ca. 1800 BC: Earliest archaeological evidence of a permanent settlement in J’lem (Jebusites).
Hyksos Rule:
ca. 1700 BC: Jerusalem destroyed by Hyksos.
- 1550 BC: Hyksos rule in Egypt and Palestine.
Canaanites:
1550-ca.1200 BC: Jerusalem - a Canaanite city-state ruled by a king under partial Egyptian rule.
ca. 1350 BC: First mention of Jerusalem as city-state in Egyptian Amarna letters.
ca. 1300 BC: Archaeological evidence of renewed habitation; Jebusites may have rebuilt and occupied Jerusalem for the next 400 years.
ca. 1250 BC: Jewish exodus from Egypt.
ca. 1220 BC: King of Jerusalem defeated by Israelites and the city is destroyed.
Jebusites: ca. 1200-1004 BC: The Jebusites rule the city.
Israelites; 1000-587/586 BC: King David captures the Jebusite fortress and establishes united Israelite kingdom.
1000-965 BC: City ruled by King David and is renamed from "Jebus" to "City of David".
965-928 BC: King Solomon succeeds David, erects First Temple (952).
928 BC: After Solomon's death the kingdom splits: Israel and Judah (Jerusalem is capital).
926 BC: Egyptian forces ravage Jerusalem. 840 BC: Syrian Kingdom of Damascus occupies Jerusalem until ca. 810 BC.
720 BC: Kings of Judah between rivals Assyria (later Babylonia) and Egypt; Assyrians capture Jerusalem.
701-627 BC: Assyrians beleaguer Jerusalem; Judah is a tributary state of the Assyrian Empire.
Babylonians; 587-538 BC:
587/586 BC: Nebuchadnezzar captures and destroys Jerusalem, including the First Temple.
587/6-538 BC: Babylonians (Chaldaeans) rule Jerusalem.
Persian Rule 538-333 BC: Persians overthrow Babylonian empire; Jerusalem is capital of Persian province. King Cyrus allows Jews to return.
520-515 BC: Temple is rebuilt (Second Temple).
Hellenistic Rule; 332-141 BC:
332 BC: Alexander the Great captures Jerusalem.
301 BC: After breakup of Alexander's Empire: Ptolemies of Egypt rule in Palestine.
ca. 200 BC: Greek-Syrian Seleucids capture Jerusalem. Period of extreme Hellenization.
169 BC: Seleucids ruler Antochius Epiphanos destroys the city and forbids Judaism.
Hashmonean Kingdom; 167-152 BC:
167 BC: Macabbean (Jewish) revolt; Hasmonean dynasty founded, rule Jerusalem; Temple restored.
Macabbean Jews 141-63 BC:
141 BC: Simon Macabbee recovers Jerusalem.
134 BC: Antiochus Sidetes, King of Syria, sieges city.
Roman-Byzantine Empire; 63 BC-ca. 638 AD:
63 BC: Jerusalem is captured by Pompeji, head of the Roman Army.
37 BC: Palestine is a vassal kingdom of Rome, Herod the Great the king (37-4 BC).
6-37 AD: Procuratorial rule in Jerusalem.
44-326 AD: Procuratorial rule by Rome in Jerusalem.
66-70 AD: 1st Judean revolt led by Titus against Romans; city and temple partially destroyed.
117-138 AD: Jerusalem made a Roman colony.
ca. 132 AD: Great Judean revolt, led by Bar Kochba.
135 AD: Emperor Hadrian captures Jerusalem; rename city "Aelia Capitolina", expel Jews.
235-270 AD: The Kingdom of Palmyra (Tadmor) rules in Palestine.
323 or 326 AD: Emperor Constantine moves capital from Rome to Byzanz; Christianity made official or state religion - begin of an era of Christian rule in Jerusalem.
335 AD: Church of the Holy Sepulchre and Church of Golgatha built.
614-628 AD: Persians under King Chroseos II conquer Jerusalem (Sassanid Empire).
628 AD: Roman-Byzantinian Emperor Heraclius reconquests the city.
628-638 AD: Byzantinian Christians rule the city.
Muslim Rule; 638-1072 AD:
638 AD: Jerusalem conquered by Caliph ‘Omar Ibn al-Khattab bearing the new faith of Islam. City called Al-Quds; Jews allowed to return.
661-692 AD: Ummayad dynasty.
691 AD: Ummayad Caliph Abd al-Malik builds Dome of the Rock.
709 AD: Al-Aqsa Mosque built.
750 AD: Abbasid Caliphate; capital is Baghdad.
878 AD: Tulunid dynasty.
915 AD: Ikhshidid dynasty.
969 AD: Shi'i Fatimids establish caliphate with Cairo as capital.
975 AD: Reign of Caliph al-Aziz; city walls rebuilt.
ca. 1000 AD: Fatimid empire declines.
Turks; 1072-1092 AD: Jerusalem ruled by various successor, among them Seljuk Turks.
Arabs; 1092-1099 AD: Arab reconquest of Jerusalem.
Crusader Rule; 1099-1187 AD: Christian Crusaders capture Jerusalem; city becomes capital of the Latin Kingdom.
Arabs; 1187-1517 AD:
1187 AD: Salah ed-Din reconquests city; restoration of the Muslim shrines; Jews permitted to remain and settle.
1187-1220 AD: Ayyubids rule Cairo and control Jerusalem.
1229-1239 AD: City ceded by treaty for ten years to Crusaders (Frederick II of Germany).
1239-1516 AD: Arabs regain control over the city; Arab (Mameluke) Rule.
1243/44 AD: Khwarizmians (Mongols) invade Jerusalem.
Ottoman Empire; 1517-1917:
1517 AD: Ottoman Sultan Selim defeats Mameluks, incorporates Jerusalem and Palestine into Ottoman Empire.
1537-1541 AD: Suleiman the Magnificent rebuilds city walls and restores the Dome of the Rock. 1831-1840 AD: Mohammed Ali of Egypt occupies Palestine; Egyptian rule of Jerusalem.
1841-1917 AD: Restoration of Ottoman-Turkish rule.
1876: First Ottoman parliament convened in Constantinople; first Palestinian deputies from Jerusalem elected.
1880: Ottoman administration created mutasarrifiyya of Jerusalem.
1898: A section of old city wall was removed to facilitate the entrance of Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany and his entourage on their visit to Jerusalem.
1917, Dec. 9: Ottoman forces surrender in Jerusalem: allied forces led by General Allenby conquer Palestine; Jerusalem under British military administration.
1918, Jan. 27-Feb. 10: First Palestinian National Congress meets in Jerusalem, sends two memoranda to Versailles Peace Conference rejecting Balfour Declaration, demanding independence.
1920, April: British remove Musa Kazim al-Husseini, mayor of Jerusalem, from office for opposing their pro-Zionist policies. San Remo Peace Conference assigns the Mandate for Palestine to Great Britain. 1921,May-June: 4th Palestinian National Congress held in Jerusalem, decides to send delegation to London to explain Palestinian case against Balfour Declaration.
1922: Britain obtains League of Nations mandate to rule Palestine; Jerusalem becomes capital under British civil administration.
1922-1939: Period of Palestinian revolts against British occupation and massive Jewish immigration.
1925, March: Palestinian general strike to protest against private visit by Lord Balfour to Jerusalem.
1928,June: 7th Palestinian National Congress convened in Jerusalem.
1928, Nov.: Islamic Conference meets in Jerusalem,urges protection of Muslim property rights at Wailing Wall, itself a Muslim holy site.
1929, Aug. 28-29: Palestinians up-rising in reaction to militant demonstrations at Wailing Wall.
1931, Dec. 16: Pan-Islamic Congress held in Jerusalem, 145 delegates from Muslim World attend.
1933, Oct.: Demonstrations in Jaffa and Jerusalem protesting against British pro-Zionist policies.
1936, May 8: Conference of all National Committees in Jerusalem calls for ‘no taxation without representation’. General strike begins.
1946, July 22: Irgun and Stern Gang Zionist groups blow up King David Hotel, Jerusalem.
1947, Nov. 29: UN Partition Resolution 181 recommends that Jaffa be part of the proposed Palestinian state and that Jerusalem and Bethlehem be a corpus separatum under a special international regime administered by UN Trusteeship Council.
1948 - Al Naqba (Catastrophe)
April 8: Abd al-Kader Husseini killed in counter-attack at Qastel, western suburb of Jerusalem.
April 9: Irgun and Stern Gangs led by Menahim Begin and Yitzhak Shamir massacre 245 Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin, western suburb of Jerusalem.
April 11: Haganah destroy village of Kalonia near Qastel and occupy Deir Yassin.
April 30: Palestinians in all quarters of West Jerusalem occupied by Haganah are driven out.
Israeli-Jordanian Rule; Divided City: 1948-1967
Following the 1948 war the British withdraw from the city, Israeli state established; Jerusalem divided (East Jerusalem incl. Old City under Jordanian rule). Israel occupies West Jerusalem.
June 28: Bernadotte's first peace plan: Jerusalem to be Arab.
July 7: Mt. Scopus Area divided into 3 sectors: Jewish (incl. Hadassah Hospital and Hebrew University, which were completely isolated from Israel); Arab (Issawiya); and a third sector incl. Arab Augusta Victoria Hospital.
Sept. 17: UN Mediator Count Bernadotte assassinated in Jerusalem.
Dec. 13: Israel proclaims Jerusalem as its 'eternal capital'.
Dec. 20: Sheikh Hussam Addin Jarallah appointed Mufti of Jerusalem (replacing Haj Amin Husseini); Amin Abdul-Hadi appointed head of Supreme Muslim Council.
1949
Dec. 13: West Jerusalem declared illegally the capital of Israel.
Dec. 19: UN General Assembly Resolution 303: Internationalisation of Jerusalem.
1950
Jan. 2: King Abdullah appoints Ragheb Nashashibi as custodian of the Holy Places.
July 20: King Abdullah assassinated in Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
1960 Jan. 16: Egypt states in letter of credentials of the new Consul of the United Arab Republic (UAR) in the Old City of Jerusalem, that the Consul was being appointed as the Consul General in all the territories located west of the Jordan River, being part of Filistine conquered by the Jordanian Army.' Jordan rejects the credentials of the UAR Consul in Jerusalem on the grounds that they infringe on its sovereignty.
1964: May 28: First Palestinian National Council meets in Jerusalem.
Israeli Occupation; 1967
Jerusalem entirely occupied by Israeli forces in the course of the June War;hundreds of Palestinian homes demolished in the Old City's Maghrebi Quarter, its residents evicted in order to facilitate the construction of an expanded Jewish Quarter and a plaza in front of the Wailing Wall.
June 7: Israel confiscates the keys to the Magharbeh Gate (western gate of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound) and has not yet returned them to the Islamic Waqf.
June 9: Friday mid-day prayers are interrupted for the first time since Salah ed-Din reconquered the city, when battle breaks out near Haram ash-Sharif compound.
June 11: Israeli government decides to annex East Jerusalem, illegally declares the city its capital. Knesset empowers government to extend Israeli law,jurisdiction and public administration over the area of the Land of Israel.
June 28: Israel annexes old Jerusalem, begins settlement in OPT.
July 4: General Assembly Resolution 2253 (ESU) calls upon Israel to "rescind all measures taken (and) to desist forthwith, from taking any action which would alter the status of Jerusalem."
July 24: Muslim Council (al-Hayat al-Islamiya) founded, 1st Palestinian representative body after the war. 1968: June 26: An Australian Jewish tourist sets a fire inside Al-Aqsa Mosque; worshippers stop the fire; considerable damage left.
1969: First Israeli families move into Ramat Eshkol, Israel's new settlement in annexed East Jerusalem.
June 16: Israeli authorities seize the south-western section of Haram-al-Sharif compound.
June 24: Israeli forces take over the Tankiziyya school at Silsila Gate; the building is still used as military base.
Aug. 21: Burning of Al-Aqsa Mosque, damaged by arson.
1978: Oct. 1: Statement of condemnation by the West Bank National Conference, held in Beit Hanina, of Sadat's visit to Jerusalem.
1979: Israeli Jewish population in East Jerusalem reaches 50,000 (in 7 East Jerusalem settlement areas).
March 22: UNSC Res. 446 calls on Israel to dismantle the settlements "those having no legal validity" in the OPT, including Jerusalem. Aug.: Members of Jewish extremist groups Gershon Salomon and Meir Kahane try to enter Al-Aqsa Mosque but are prevented by thousands of Palestinians; ensuing battle leaves dozens of Muslims wounded.
Oct. 11: Israeli forces wound dozens of worshippers, shooting and throwing tear gas into the Mosque.
1980
April 19: Religious Jews announce that they would work on overtaking Al-Aqsa Mosque.
July 30: The Israeli government reaffirms the 1967 de facto annexation and declares Jerusalem the eternal undivided capital of Israel through a Basic Law "Jerusalem".
1981:
Aug. 28: Israeli authorities start building a tunnel beneath the Haram compound.
1982
March 30: Jewish extremists send letters to the Islamic Waqf asking them to leave Al-Aqsa mosque.
April 11: Israeli soldier Goldman forces his way to the Haram compound, shoots at Muslim worshippers killing several and injuring over 60, and attempts to blow up al-Sakhra Mosque but is prevented by a Palestinian.
May 20: Zionist organisations send a final warning to Waqf officials, threatening they would kill them if they cannot pray in Al-Aqsa.
July 28: Palestinians protest against the occupation of 3 Palestinian owned houses by armed settlers.
1983
March 26: Israeli diggings under-neath the Waqf Department lead to the collapse of the main entrance.
April 16: Thieves steal rare books and paintings worth over $4 mil-lion from Jerusalem's Islamic Museum.
Nov.20: US Jews begin fundraising for the construction of the "Temple Mount" to be built on Al-Aqsa compound.
1984:
Oct. 28: 1 Palestinian killed and 10 wounded as Arab bus in Jerusalem hit by anti-tank rocket in one of a series of terrorist attacks against Palestinians. PM Peres con-demns killings and promises a determined hunt for attackers: An Israeli soldier is arrested and confesses to the attack.
1985: Aug. 21: Israeli police allow Jewish extremists to pray in Al-Aqsa if 10 ask admittance together.
1986: Aug. 4: Jewish extremists announce their decision to build a synagogue in the Mosque yard.
1987: June 6: Al-Fajr editor Hanna Siniora announces plan to lead list of Palestinian candidates in 1988 Jerusalem municipal elections. Israelis and Palestinians reject proposal.
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what should you do? maybe understanding the history of your home might be a good start [thogh it isn't simple]
you have already hinted that you can't see the possibility of peace with your neighbours so i might be wasting my time
it is clear to anyone with vision unclouded by racist xenophobia that the land now called israel has not always been the home of the jews, it has often been home to some of the jews but never only of the jews
but i fail to see why the state of israel has any special rights to this country [might isn't really right]
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