Palestine Or Israel?

[Rat Faced]

Brynasmith,

Its that peace procss (which created the Palestinian Authority out of the PLO) which was reversed when Sharron came to power....(ie Israel broke it)

As the Pallestinian Authority (PLO) refused to fight (hoping for a new Diplomatic formula (they got more out of The Peace Process than in the years of Bombing), the Pallestinians have been turning to Hamas, and these are the people that are the Terrorists now.

The big difference being that: The PLO was always a Nationalist Organisation (and would count YOU as Palestinian, based on your family living there 1000 years)...whereas Hamas is a fundamental Islamic Organisation....ie Religioun Based.


The only way to get Peace is to recognise and show the Pallestinian People that the Pallestinian Authority IS in their interest and turn away from Hamas.

Its taken 10 years for the majority of Pallestinians to support Hamas over the PLO...expect another 10 years (at least) of terrorism, gradualy dimminishing as more and more Pallestinians turn back to the PLO.


Of course, Israel will not stand for the fact that they suffer the terrorist attacks, hence they will retaliate....this will increase support for Hamas, and Diplomacy will move even further away.

Israel is the ONLY country with the power to stop terrorism in the area....but not with a policy of huge retaliation. As the Pallestinian Authority receives more of a mandate, they will help.....but they CANT now. In any war between the Pallestinian Authority and Hamas at the moment...Hamas will win.

Even if Israel stops the retaliation, its going to be a long, painful process

[evilbagpuss]

Originally posted by tralala+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralala)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>missile attack that killed 150 palestinians=reaction of troops to a suicide attack some 3-5 hours earlier...[/b]

Oh I see, thats ok then. Is it ok for the Palestinians to do a suicide bombing in retaliation for that attack? You see what Im getting at here?

Originally posted by tralala+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tralala)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
second, babies shot in the head and kids with their guts spillin out is kinda gross, dont pur it that way mate...
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I agree, it is disgusting. Sorry but I cant think of a &#39;nice&#39; way to describe it.

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these are the answer to palestinian militant terrorist groups that are out there to stop the peace process, what they want- the whole of the land of israel to be palestine. [/quote]

This is the reason I&#39;ve replied after a week or two of being away. It is NOT the answer.

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p.s: i am israeli, i have the experience to tell you what i typed above, so with all due respect, i think i deserve a little more respect ot my words... [/quote]

Well.. I am British and as I&#39;m sure your aware we have had our fair share of being bombed too. We didnt start killing innocent Irish civilians though. Thats my point.

You seem to be supporting killing innocent civilians out of revenge, so I&#39;m afraid your words dont deserve any respect.

[tralalala]

guys, this is going to be my last post in this thread cos there is no way im gonna convince any of you that im right...
so here it goes: read the bible and youll see that israael DID exsist a few thousand years ago (under the name of Cna&#39;an), and also if you dont believe the fact that judaism is the oldest religion, then thats your choice... its a worldwide fact, there is no religion that came before judaism...

well, thats me gone from this thread for now, maybe ill come back in a couple months or something if the thread wont be closed for "violence" inside it

bye bye for now,
tralalala

[denis123]

Originally posted by tralalala@24 July 2003 - 06:32
(under the name of Cna&#39;an), and also if you dont believe the fact that judaism is the oldest religion, then thats your choice... its a worldwide fact, there is no religion that came before judaism...

well, thats me gone from this thread for now, maybe ill come back in a couple months or something if the thread wont be closed for "violence" inside it

bye bye for now,
tralalala

Sort of like Incognito or so?

[MagicNakor]

Well, I&#39;m not certain where you&#39;re getting that Judaism is the first religion ever...but...run with it.

[tralalala]

lol so this is my last post here (couldnt resist it).
if judasim aint the first religion then.... ummmmm.... which religion IS the first one eh??

tralalala

[echidna]

Originally posted by tralalala@24 July 2003 - 16:32
guys, this is going to be my last post in this thread cos there is no way im gonna convince any of you that im right...
so here it goes: read the bible and youll see that israael DID exsist a few thousand years ago (under the name of Cna&#39;an), and also if you dont believe the fact that judaism is the oldest religion, then thats your choice... its a worldwide fact, there is no religion that came before judaism...

well, thats me gone from this thread for now, maybe ill come back in a couple months or something if the thread wont be closed for "violence" inside it

bye bye for now,
tralalala

cna&#39;an [or canaan] was the land that joshua invaded, since he created the first iteration of israel there i fail to see how it was israel before he got there
if you think that judaism is older than the beliefs of the koori [or the ancient egyptian religions] then you&#39;re just plain ignorant

if i&#39;m wrong please give me some evidence, if you actually gave some evidence for what you assert it might be received differently
[the bible is a christian collection of hebrew and greek texts which has absolutely no weight as far as proving anything, it doesn&#39;t count]
:: &#39;oh yeah right the whole world got flooded and all of us are the descendants of noah&#39; ::
proof needs to be verifiable and the bibles full of holes,
[do you burn your home to the ground if you get a mildew problem? &#39;cause that&#39;s what the torah (the 1st 5 books of the bible) says you should do&#33;]

hope you enjoy fools paradise

your inability to examine or support your assertions demonstrates why many palestinians don&#39;t believe they can negotiate with people like you

it is best that you&#39;ve left the kitchen before you&#39;re overcome by the heat, i hope, though, that you re-examine your assertions and consider the implications of your position
otherwise you too are a problem in the path to peace

shalom

[echidna]

Originally posted by tralalala@24 July 2003 - 18:56
lol so this is my last post here (couldnt resist it).
if judasim aint the first religion then.... ummmmm.... which religion IS the first one eh??

tralalala

here&#39;s what google spits out;

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&ie=I...le+Search&meta=

your theory doesn&#39;t rate a mention

this is no proof, but what you ask cannot be proved, only argued

since abraham came from a full blown city [Ur, southeast of Baghdad] and the jews didn&#39;t get the commandments until after they left egypt [quite a religious place considering all the temples that are still there]

i can&#39;t see how you can support that claim
judaisms own scripture seems to indicate organised religion prior to judaism itself

i mean according to the bible the israeli kids were worshipping a golden idol when moses came back with Yahweh&#39;s laws&#33;

so if you can stop laughing and explain yourself maybe we&#39;d give your claim some credence
as it stands, you&#39;re just seeming like an arrogant infant

[TIBZ]

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Quit it, TIBZ.

[tralalala]

they worshiped the golden idol cos they got worried that moses had died seeing he had been gone for 40 days and nights (getting the 10 commandments of mount sinai)...
hinduism was "created" at around 1000-2000BC (if i remember ok from a book i read lately) and judaism was "created" some 5000 years ago. how do i know that?
cos according to the jewish calendar, the year now is 5763 (in hebrew its in letters which when they are translated to numbers, you get that year), this date is what the jews believe is the day the world was created by god (first book of genesis).
of course nowadays we know it (the world) was created some 15 billion years ago, according to religion it was created 5000 years ago.

hope i cleared it up now,
tralalala

EDIT: lol yeah right, and jesus came back to life and walked on water...
think before that matey...
before joshua (or in hebrew yehoshua) invaded cnaan, the isralites left israel (cnaan sorry) to egypt cos there was no food and then they were slaved for 400 years, then comes the story of passover with the 10 plagues bla bla bla and moses takes them out of israel (if i wanted, i could write a book about this... lol).
ANYWAY, joshua and 11 other people were sent to "check out" the country to see if it was worth taking over, then he and kalev ben yefune were the only 2 out of the 12 that aggreed to taking over the country.
eventually, joshua took command and they took over cnaan.
then shmuel (samuel) came, then saul came, david, and all the kings after.
nowadays, after the temple was destroyed twice by the romans, we, the jews, cannot rebuild it till the messaiah comes (who is supposed to be with the same blood as david, in other words, from davids family).
in hebrew a jew is a Yehudi which comes from the name Yehuda who was one of the 12 tribes that only 2 of them are still around (Yehuda and Binyamin (=benjamin)). the other 10 were taken out of israel about 2000-2500 years ago and were never to be found or come back if you like.

i cant type any more cos my fingers are getting a little sore... and im going to the pool/gym soon, ill check up here later.

byeee,
tralalala