The Death Sentance

[Agrajag]

Can one assume that the death penalty creates murderers. No?

What does that even mean.

[Agrajag]

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It's nice to know that after some fuck has murdered your family that he'll get 3 squares a day plus a warm bed for the rest of his life paid for by YOU.

I've already explained this bit too. If it was up to me they would work for their food and board. If they didn't work they wouldn't get fed.

I also wouldn't allow them cigarettes, tv, coffee etc. I'm all for the "hard labour" option for the type of crimes you would advocate the death penalty.

In fact isn't there a state, or a local Sheriff, which does that type of thing. Refuses to give prisoners coffee and supplies only water.

[Busyman™]

We also have the third largest population in the world. Out of probably the top 20 most populous cities, we probably have the most freedom.

Oh and our penal system sucks. It coddles too much. Anytime there are folks willing to be put in jail just for food and shelter, it doesn't speak too highly of prison as a deterrent.

I doubt Australia is in the top 50 most populous countries.

That's why there are per capita figures. The murder rate in the US in 2005 was 56 per million of population, in Australia it was 15.

You didn't say per capita though.

Per capita can't be the only other factor you look at. There are particular population densities, laws, immigration issues, ethnic makeup, political unrest and so forth.

[GepperRankins]

How many people sentenced to life without parole have killed again?

The ones that are put to death won't kill again. The ones in prison for life do sometimes escape and kill again. Fact.

does this number outweigh the difference between the states that have the death penalty and the ones that dont?

[Ava Estelle]

Per capita can't be the only other factor you look at. There are particular population densities, laws, immigration issues, ethnic makeup, political unrest and so forth.

Why is there? Murder is murder, why complicate things, or do you think Australia has none of these issues?

[vidcc]

In fact isn't there a state, or a local Sheriff, which does that type of thing. Refuses to give prisoners coffee and supplies only water.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/

It's not for the really dangerous convicts.

[Busyman™]

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It's nice to know that after some fuck has murdered your family that he'll get 3 squares a day plus a warm bed for the rest of his life paid for by YOU.

I've already explained this bit too. If it was up to me they would work for their food and board. If they didn't work they wouldn't get fed.

I also wouldn't allow them cigarettes, tv, coffee etc. I'm all for the "hard labour" option for the type of crimes you would advocate the death penalty.

In fact isn't there a state, or a local Sheriff, which does that type of thing. Refuses to give prisoners coffee and supplies only water.

I must agree with you there.

Change the makeup of the penal system absent the death penalty first.

Unfortunately, there will still be those hardest of the hard that won't along and will need a boot to the teeth.

For any of this to work properly, financially or deterrent-wise, it needs proper application.

The fella you are talking about I think is in Arizona, spinningfreemanny brought him up in a post awhile ago and I never forgot it.

[Agrajag]

In fact isn't there a state, or a local Sheriff, which does that type of thing. Refuses to give prisoners coffee and supplies only water.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/

It's not for the really dangerous convicts.

That's the fella. Thanks for that.

I'd use his ideas and make the convicts pay their own way. I would make it clear to other potential offenders that's what they could look forward to.

I would also grade the treatment on the offence. So people would get a length of time and a degree of harshness.

[vidcc]

http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/

It's not for the really dangerous convicts.

That's the fella. Thanks for that.

I'd use his ideas and make the convicts pay their own way. I would make it clear to other potential offenders that's what they could look forward to.

I would also grade the treatment on the offence. So people would get a length of time and a degree of harshness.

I doubt you would be amazed to find out that I am not for coddling convicts (the ones permitted to live ) either.

However I can't say that as a deterrent his system works better than any other. I am sure I read somewhere that he was considering extending the "prison" because he was running out of space. Perhaps it does more to deter re offenders than deterring someone from committing an offense in the first place, but then I have no idea how many return and am just guessing that it may because of the type of offender in that program. (minor criminals)

[Agrajag]

That's the fella. Thanks for that.

I'd use his ideas and make the convicts pay their own way. I would make it clear to other potential offenders that's what they could look forward to.

I would also grade the treatment on the offence. So people would get a length of time and a degree of harshness.

I doubt you would be amazed to find out that I am not for coddling convicts (the ones permitted to live ) either.

However I can't say that as a deterrent his system works better than any other. I am sure I read somewhere that he was considering extending the "prison" because he was running out of space. Perhaps it does more to deter re offenders than deterring someone from committing an offense in the first place, but then I have no idea how many return and am just guessing that it may because of the type of offender in that program. (minor criminals)

It's good revenge but.

To me it's also an acceptable alternative to the death penalty.

It really isn't a choice between killing them or coddling them (not aimed at you). There really must be the "hard labour" option. To me if you kill someone then your human rights (other than life itself) are forfeit. So punish them, make them pay their own way, give them no treats. Trust me a lot of these bastards will ask to be killed after having to live that way for a while.

Or am a I being too "liberal" here.