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Thread: The Death Sentance

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    http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/
    This guy has the right idea,

    We all hear stories about prisoners civil rights being abused,IMO when you commit crimes against society,you effectivly give up your civil rights as you have no regard for anyone elses civil rights.

    The people who should get sentenced to death should be executed only if there is no doubt,such as killing a person in front of 6 or more eyewitnesses,caught on videotape or 100% evidence,such as DNA found on one victim matching DNA found on another victim.

    As for paedophiles,castration should be the least of their punishments,I know from personal experience that they do go out and reoffend when they are released from prison.
    So prison time is no deterrent for these things.

    All spelling mistakes and grammatical errors in my post's are intentional.

  2. The Drawing Room   -   #62
    This week, after a major government report, we heard that one murder a week is committed by someone with psychiatric problems. Psychiatrists should do better, the newspapers told us, and prevent more of these murders.

    It’s great to want to reduce psychiatric violence. It’s great to have a public debate about the ethics of preventive detention (for psychiatric patients and other potential risk groups, perhaps). Before you career off and have that vital conversation, you need to understand the maths of predicting very rare events.

    Let’s take the very concrete example of the HIV test. The figures here are ballpark, for illustration only. So: what do we measure about a test? Statisticians would say the HIV blood test has a very high “sensitivity” of 0.999. That means that if you do have the virus, there is a 99.9% chance that the blood test will be positive. Statisticians would also say the test has a high “specificity” of 0.9999 - so if a man is not infected, there is a 99.99% chance that the test will be negative. What a smashing blood test.

    But if you look at it from the perspective of the person being tested, the maths gets slightly counterintuitive. Because weirdly, the meaning, the predictive value, of a positive or negative test that an individual gets, is changed in different situations, depending on the background rarity of the event that the test is trying to detect. The rarer the event in your population, the worse the very same test becomes.

    Let’s say the HIV infection rate amongst high risk men in a particular area is 1.5%. We use our excellent blood test on 10,000 of these men and we can expect 151 positive blood results overall: 150 will be our truly HIV positive men, who will get true positive blood tests; and one will be the one false positive we could expect, from having 10,000 HIV negative men being tested with a test that is wrong one time in 10,000. So, if you get a positive HIV blood test result, in these circumstances your chances of being truly HIV positive are 150 out of 151. It’s a highly predictive test.

    But now let’s use the same test where the background HIV infection rate in the population is about one in 10,000. If we test 10,000 people, we can expect two positive blood results overall. One from the person who really is HIV positive; and then one false positive that we could expect, again, from having 10,000 HIV negative men being tested with a test that is wrong one time in 10,000.

    Suddenly, when the background rate of an event is rare, even our previously brilliant blood test becomes a bit rubbish. For the two men with a positive HIV blood test result, in this population where one in 10,000 have HIV it’s only 50:50 odds on whether you really are HIV positive.

    Now let’s look at violence. The best predictive tool for psychiatric violence has a “sensitivity” of 0.75, and a “specificity” of 0.75. Accuracy is tougher, predicting an event in humans, with human minds, and changing human lives. Let’s say 5% of patients seen by a community mental health team will be involved in a violent event in a year. Using the same maths as we did for the HIV tests, your “0.75″ predictive tool would be wrong 86 times out of 100. For serious violence, occurring at 1% a year, with our best “0.75″ tool, you inaccurately finger your potential perpetrator 97 times out of a hundred. Will you preventively detain 97 people to prevent three events? And for murder, the extremely rare crime in question, occurring at one in 10,000 a year among patients with psychosis? The false positive rate is so high that the best test is almost entirely useless. I’m just giving you the maths on rare events. What you do with it is a matter for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripper View Post
    http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/
    This guy has the right idea,

    We all hear stories about prisoners civil rights being abused,IMO when you commit crimes against society,you effectivly give up your civil rights as you have no regard for anyone elses civil rights.
    I agree completely with this statement. Therefore I voted yes to the death penalty, because I think it's insane to spend taxpayers money keeping these people alive indefinitely.

    The prisons are too overcrowded anyway. We need to bring the death penalty back, for the cell-space, like.

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    Well, if they can make sure that all people sentenced to it are guilty, and that those people are incorrigible, and that they will pose a threat to the public if they aren't eliminated, then I'm for it.

    Death penalty as a means to eliminate those sociopaths and whatnot who will only be a danger to society no matter what, as it were.

    However, making absolutely sure the right people are eliminated would only be possible in a perfect world, and were we living in a perfect world we'd not need the death penalty in the first place.

    So no.

  5. The Drawing Room   -   #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa View Post
    I agree completely with this statement. Therefore I voted yes to the death penalty, because I think it's insane to spend taxpayers money keeping these people alive indefinitely.
    what if they paid their own way (theoretically)

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    That's why I advocate the working thing.
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    Pay their own way? I'd like them to make a net profit actually. Maybe we could sell off their organs

  8. The Drawing Room   -   #68
    and if they made a net profit

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    While I agree with working prisoners there is a line that has to be observed.

    Work carried out in communities should not be at the expense of local employees. Basically cheap prison labour should not be used to take jobs of local hardworking law abiding citizens to increase "the profit margin".
    Prison workforces should not be allowed an unfair bidding advantage to undercut local firms and local firms should not be able to replace their staff with "cheaper convict labour".

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

  10. The Drawing Room   -   #70
    This is an age old question that goes back to the beginning of time. I am sure that I will receive some flak for quoting scripture, but I don't care.

    Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. (KJV)

    I agree with the death penalty, the reason I don't think it is a great deterrent is because it is not used properly. Compare the south with the northeast according to http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...scid=8&did=186 so I guess it also depends where you commit your crime! Don't commit a death penalty offense in the south, because they will actually follow through with it. Before some of you get your panties in a bunch I realize that there are only a few states in the northeast that have the death penalty.
    I don't think that life in prison is a big deterrent either or we would not have over crowding in the prison system.
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