The Death Sentance

[Busyman™]

Is life without parole a deterrent?

Okay then, now is death a deterrent?

I am more afraid to die than to be put in jail. I think most people are.

You tell me, on the face of it there is no deterrent in your country, you had more murders last year than Australia had last century, does that say something about Americans, or your penal system?

We also have the third largest population in the world. Out of probably the top 20 most populous cities, we probably have the most freedom.

Oh and our penal system sucks. It coddles too much. Anytime there are folks willing to be put in jail just for food and shelter, it doesn't speak too highly of prison as a deterrent.

I doubt Australia is in the top 50 most populous countries.

[Agrajag]

NB before you complain about it being old stats the same site does figures for 2000 - 2005 which shows the trend continuing. Indeed the difference keeps rising.

Oh dear, red faces all round it seems!

Being America "round faces all red" is probably more apt.

[Agrajag]

...we probably have the most freedom.

Yeah, you're also the bravest.

[Skiz]

I can say that it does because nobody who has ever been put to death for murder has ever murdered again.

How many people sentenced to life without parole have killed again?

The ones that are put to death won't kill again. The ones in prison for life do sometimes escape and kill again. Fact.

[Busyman™]

...we probably have the most freedom.

Yeah, you're also the brazenest.

Fixed with tape.

[vidcc]

How many people sentenced to life without parole have killed again?

I can't give you exact figures on this one point but I can tell you that the number of prison guards killed by inmates is not zero. Nor the number of inmates killed by other inmates.

For that matter I can't say that all murders committed by inmates are by those that were serving life for murder, but I can tell you that the number of murders committed by inmates serving life for murder is not zero

[Busyman™]

How many people sentenced to life without parole have killed again?

The ones that are put to death won't kill again. The ones in prison for life do sometimes escape and kill again. Fact.

They also kill in prison.

There was instance recently where an escaped prisoner killed 2 people including a cop. 5 correctional officers were stabbed in jail recently also (but not killed).

[Agrajag]

Is it a deterrent for the individual who dies, obviously.

Is it a deterrent overall, does it reduce the murder rate, no. Fact.

At least vid is honest about this, he accepts that it is no more than revenge.

The deterrent argument is simply not borne out by the facts. Fact.

[Busyman™]

Some people are deterred by their religion.

Some by the threat of death.

Can one assume that the death penalty creates murderers. No?

Is the only thing achieved by the death penalty simply revenge. No. Fact.

Food and shelter for the rest of one's life versus nothing. Pretty simple.

It's nice to know that after some fuck has murdered your family that he'll get 3 squares a day plus a warm bed for the rest of his life paid for by YOU.

Revenge? Sure. Finance? Quite obviously.

Now application is another story.

[Ava Estelle]

We also have the third largest population in the world. Out of probably the top 20 most populous cities, we probably have the most freedom.

Oh and our penal system sucks. It coddles too much. Anytime there are folks willing to be put in jail just for food and shelter, it doesn't speak too highly of prison as a deterrent.

I doubt Australia is in the top 50 most populous countries.

That's why there are per capita figures. The murder rate in the US in 2005 was 56 per million of population, in Australia it was 15.