Isn't Filesharing A Socialist Activity?

[hobbes]

Originally posted by echidna@24 May 2003 - 16:39
why do americans from south of canada get so paranoid

Filesharing is simply just breaking the law. If there were a pay service which could legally provide the same service, I would join and pay my dues. End.


Listen you egg laying mammal, I already told you why we refer to ourselves as Americans. Get over it already.

from http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?act...1&t=30831&st=40

Why do we call ourselves Americans?

"United States of America" is a description of a relationship and a vague locale. At the time it was coined, it was probably a sufficient description. New World (the Americas)vs Old World (Europe).

So the issue is NOT, why do we call ourselves Americans, but rather, why have we not named our country!


It's so simple, it's not about attitude or swagger, but simply that "I'm a United Stateser of America" sounds absolutely ridiculous. I'm not saying it, no way.

Since we are the only country containing the continent name, "American" functions quite nicely.


I just noticed that your name is an anagram for "can hide" which is apt because you have actively concealed your nationality from us.

[echidna]

hey hobbes how can i 'actively conceal'? [we're on TCP/IP, and i just haven't told anyone who hasn't asked nicely. also i find all the pointed conjecture quite amusing]
i don't care what you call yourself i call people from germany german while they call themselves deutsch, am i wrong or are they?
you're repeating yourself anyway, i thought we had already discussed this [and there is no reason for me to comply with your desires]

[hobbes]

Originally posted by echidna@25 May 2003 - 04:09
hey hobbes how can i 'actively conceal'? [we're on TCP/IP, and i just haven't told anyone who hasn't asked nicely. also i find all the pointed conjecture quite amusing]
i don't care what you call yourself i call people from germany german while they call themselves deutsch, am i wrong or are they?
you're repeating yourself anyway, i thought we had already discussed this [and there is no reason for me to comply with your desires]

Echidna you are repeatly violating my arbitrary rules, virtually admitting that you have WMD. Intervention may be necessary if you do not surrender to me.

But really, you inferred some time back that our use of "American" was arrogant and that is why you make an issue of it. My post showed you how simple the explanation is, and how it has nothing to do with arrogance or superiority. Why continue to make an issue of it?

As to your identity, I think that revealing your ethnicity, religion or nationality, as they pertain to a discussion is helpful in allowing the reader to "see where you are coming from".

This forum is about discussing or discovering the truth, not about winning an argument. When people hide relevant information, it makes me wonder if they are presenting straw horses to conceal a secret agenda.

Anyway, I repeat myself, because I enjoy the sound of my own type.

I personally think you are male, living in Australia (where else can you find an Echidna) but with Middle Eastern parents and religious influence(the symbol in your Avatar). You learned to speak English very young (your syntax is natural), indicating that you were probably born outside the homeland of your parents.

Actually I was joking about Australia, your use of English has a strong American influence. You could potentially live in the US, but your comments are more akin to an observer from afar. This places you in Europe somewhere.

I think you are left handed, single, over 30, and like long romantic walks in the park and post in the nude.

[clocker]

Originally posted by hobbes@24 May 2003 - 22:21


I think you are left handed, single, over 30, and like long romantic walks in the park and post in the nude.

Hobbes, you are scary...

[echidna]

i discussed american self identification in another topic posted by another member on that topic
that is where that discussion belongs, and where i had discussed it
i started this topic to discuss something else but somehow we're back on this topic again


as to my identity

obviousness is unappealing to me
just because i don't have to ask doesn't mean that i wanted to know
[keep guessing if you want - some of them are good, some off the mark - why it is relevant is still not made clear, it might be helpful for you to contextualise and rationalise my position but that isn't relevance]
and since [as many posting in this topic have claimed] somehow filesharing is some international crime why would i want to identify myself?

[hobbes]

Originally posted by echidna@25 May 2003 - 06:20
i discussed american self identification in another topic posted by another member on that topic
that is where that discussion belongs, and where i had discussed it
i started this topic to discuss something else but somehow we're back on this topic again


as to my identity

obviousness is unappealing to me
just because i don't have to ask doesn't mean that i wanted to know
[keep guessing if you want - some of them are good, some off the mark - why it is relevant is still not made clear, it might be helpful for you to contextualise and rationalise my position but that isn't relevance]
and since [as many posting in this topic have claimed] somehow filesharing is some international crime why would i want to identify myself?

do you like dodge ball?

Yep, the relevance is obvious.

You are bobbing and weaving.

Don't you understand intellectual honesty?

Your post is jabberwocky, you know that too, quit hiding, you coward. You don't want to identify yourself because filesharing is illegal, cut the crap! I have identified myself, I lead by example.

If there is a relevant post, please link it. Am I supposed to search all the threads for this "American self identification"?

Really, don't piss on my foot and tell me it is raining, you are too smart for this. I am insulted by your post.

[echidna]

now that's both of us insulted, touche.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by echidna+24 May 2003 - 16:51--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (echidna @ 24 May 2003 - 16:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--REALITY@23 May 2003 - 03:22

1. I Share
2. I Feel No Guilt
3. I Have Many Reasons
4. I Am Not In Denial
5. It Is Against The Law
6. We Are All Mostly Thieves By Law

i can&#39;t do anything about the first 4 issues & you may be OlderThanDirt but get with the program G
your on the internet now, who&#39;s law? where? what enforcement? what treaties?

your not in kansas anymore toto
certain persons in the USA need to realise that swinging a mammoth cudgel doesn&#39;t make the whole world theirs
different places have different laws for different reasons
the internet isn&#39;t a place so there are no laws. only systems. [/b][/quote]
Fist, you have quoted me, not OTD.

Second, that post was a responce to another idiot.

Also, IT IS ILLEGAL, though to what extent they can pursue us remains to be seen. I live in the US, and in addition most coutries have similar copyright laws. Are you trying to say that if you have a copyright file in you shared folder and are uploading (considered distripution) it, that it is not illegal, shit whos living in Kansas? Have you somehow aquired the right to distribute those files. Why are ISP&#39;s sending out warnings. Maybe you live somewhere this does&#39;nt apply, but for most of us, it does. Have you heard of the DCMA for starters dreamer.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by echidna+25 May 2003 - 02:54--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (echidna @ 25 May 2003 - 02:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -JPaul@25 May 2003 - 07:32
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@24 May 2003 - 11:31
The place for this type of debate is in the Lounge now..............

RF

Do us a favour, make sure it is in the Stunningly Condescending Room, it&#39;s descended into Mutual Intellectual Masturbation now.

In fact this one hasn&#39;t even gone that way. It&#39;s just cheap point scoring and debating technique.

We chaps in the lounge just like trivial or stupid subjects and having a laugh at each others expense. This is a wee bit too vitriolic.

if people could post on topic for 5 minutes maybe, this topic could&#39;ve had half a chance
instead people with little opinion and many disparaging remarks turned it into cheap point scoring
mutual masturbation is far more fulfilling than this [you should find out what you&#39;re missing if this equates to masturbation for you]
if your speed is stupid and trivial then you should learn to but out, and allow people to discuss the topics of their choice

the downfall of this topic has everything to do with how it was pursued on the board and little to do with with the topic as it was set out [/b][/quote]
I opened my post by referring it to a mod, so it was quite obviously aimed at him. It was also, given the content and context intended as being homourous. I even had a blatant pop at myself.

So you butt out, possibly also learn to spell. Particularly when you chose to be a self-important arse.

The topic is not important, it is based on a stupid and frankly insulting (to socialists) premise. It is no more than a device for debate.

Take it outside.

[sexxx]

Originally posted by OlderThanDirt@22 May 2003 - 09:43

sexxx wrote:

maybe usa could learn something from it like sharing with the poor souls that live in poverty 3rd world conditions slums etc. you know the ones that can&#39;t afford to live or eat

Let me tell you a story. I&#39;m 53 years old. But, when I was a kid, a week wouldn&#39;t go by without seeing a whole host of commercials for "underpriveleged" agencies ... feeding the poor in, say, Africa or South America. And, these agencies would show heart-jerking photos of people living in squalor and deprivation. These agencies asked for money to help. And Americans gave, and gave, and gave, and gave ...

But, I can turn on my TV today and see updated versions of those very same commercials ... from the same agencies ... and the message hasn&#39;t changed. If 40 years of "sharing" with 3rd world countries hasn&#39;t fixed the problem, what will? And regarding the usa could learn something part, let me ask a question of everyone here. Name one other industrialized country in the world that gives as much (per capita) as we do to the poor in other countries? "USA could learn something" indeed (sheesh). It&#39;s comments like this that make people in the USA wonder if all their giving was for naught ... that no matter how much we DO give, it&#39;ll never be appreciated.

Man I&#39;m late

well so much being scarcastic any more (and being able to spell that word)

I only meant to make two points

1) in a true democrap (oops) state (country) freedom of speach means a right for all even if its against some majoritys freedom of speach (or paranoid version of such)

2) 3rd world conditions exist in the us of a and till that problem is solved then worry about the rest of the world

hmmmm oh yeah then again that would be socialist behavior won&#39;t it

Can&#39;t have that cus socialist&#39;s are not alowed in the great free country of USA

hmm and yes this was about filesharing wasn&#39;t it sorry about this last reply