What's wrong with his statement?Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
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What's wrong with his statement?Did you take a wrong turn on the way to the lounge?
effendi
You say footie is too boring - yet you also mention baseball. You've said before that you find watching a game of baseball boring. Yet it caught on.Americans don't care if it's foreign player or not. We care if the player is good.You think it's about winning the MLS - I'm quite sure that winning the MLS, altho' kinda desirable, is of little moment to the financiers of this deal.
The thinking behind it is that Beckham, beause of who he is, can have a greater impact on football in America than any single athlete in any sport has before. They want Beckham to kickstart a process which will enable the LA Galaxy to be huge, they want that to make the MLS huge, which in turn will make football in America huge.
This will bring in megabucks from the domestic and worldwide market that will dwarf the 1/4 of a billion paid to Becks. That's the theory, anyway.
Of course, apathy toward football amongst the American people may preside and the financiers may not have factored in the jealousy factor from patriotic dumbfucks who will begrudge Beckham the money purely because he's earning more money from sport in America than any American ever has, or could hope to.
I don't know whether there's anyone like that on this forum.
Dirk Nowitzki is a German and many thought he should have won the MVP last year in the NBA.
However, soccer just doesn't get it over here and even with Beckham, it still won't get it. It's not a hope, it's an observation. We barely tuned into the World Cup.
I thought it odd that DC United was trying to build a huge soccer stadium in DC for the same reasons and many thought the same about the new Nationals stadium.
Besides that, if the 250 mil is over 5 years and includes endorsements that doesn't surprise me at all. It would have been surprising if it was all LA Galaxy salary since soccer does shit over here in comparison to other sports.
Regarding your phrase in bold, I totally agree. He can due to soccer being so unpopular. American marketers are probably the most resourceful ever but this will be a tough nut to crack. There will probably commercial after commercial and many news bits to push Beckham and soccer in Americas face.
Ultimately though, cracking basketball and football will prove too hard. Americans view soccer as much too boring in comparison and sitting through an entire match will be like watching snails fuck.
Mmmk, Roderick?
I see that you're opinion is that soccer won't take over there but it appears that your opinion isn't shared by the people who have actually put their money where their mouth is - rather than merely talking shite on a mesage board.
I'm more inclined to think they have it right, rather than take on board your 'I think soccer is boring so every other American prolly does as well' point of view.
Beckham, an Englishman, might just have the drive and appeal to galvanise the US into a team which could seriously challenge for the World cup in twelve years time. He's certainly putting his heart and soul into it, as evinced by his academy.
I think America should be grateful.
I plan on beating him to death with his kids. I'll use them as a bludgeon on his face. -
--Good for them if they survive.
Use Logic Or STFU!
Okay there are people that think shuffleboard and curling are the shit. So what? Baseball is also the oldest of our big three. Notice also that it is the last of the big three in popularity.You say footie is too boring - yet you also mention baseball. You've said before that you find watching a game of baseball boring. Yet it caught on.
I see that you're opinion is that soccer won't take over there but it appears that your opinion isn't shared by the people who have actually put their money where their mouth is - rather than merely talking shite on a mesage board.
I'm more inclined to think they have it right, rather than take on board your 'I think soccer is boring so every other American prolly does as well' point of view.
Beckham, an Englishman, might just have the drive and appeal to galvanise the US into a team which could seriously challenge for the World cup in twelve years time. He's certainly putting his heart and soul into it, as evinced by his academy.
I think America should be grateful.
How is it that I'm talking shit when I point out something? Baseball is having a hard time in many areas as well, Rodman. I'm actually hoping that the Nationals stadium and a DC United stadium are successful. I like the fact that I'll be able to go to pro soccer, football, baseball, hockey and basketball matches by just going down the road (or on the subway).
It'll be a nice change of pace.
Looking at the Beckham deal, American marketers mentioned his salary plus endorsements as one deal for hype purposes which was smart. However, when it comes down to it, besides Beckham getting something out it, soccer won't put a decent gain up against NFL football where average attendence is about 70,000 (the Washington Redskins was close to 90,000 even with the ticket hikes), the NBA with and average of about 17,000 across 40 games and the MLB with about 30,000.
It's just too tough a nut to crack.
Oh I'm sure that LA is grateful the Beckham put a soccer academy there.
Last edited by Busyman™; 01-12-2007 at 04:24 PM.
effendi
I'm not saying that you're talking shit, I said that you're talking shite on a message board (in stark contrast with people who put up cash money), which is different. I often say that I post pish - but, of course, I don't mean that the content of my posts is akin to urine.Okay there are people that think shuffleboard and curling are the shit. So what? Baseball is also the oldest of our big three. Notice also that it is the last of the big three in popularity.
How is it that I'm talking shit when I point out something? Baseball is having a hard time in many areas as well, Rodman. I'm actually hoping that the Nationals stadium and a DC United stadium are successful. I like the fact that I'll be able to go to pro soccer, football, baseball, hockey and basketball matches by just going down the road (or on the subway).
It'll be a nice change of pace.
Looking at the Beckham deal, American marketers mentioned his salary plus endorsements as one deal for hype purposes which was smart. However, when it comes down to it, besides Beckham getting something out it, soccer won't put a decent gain up against NFL football where average attendence is about 70,000 (the Washington Redskins was close to 90,000 even with the ticket hikes), the NBA with and average of about 17,000 across 40 games and the MLB with about 30,000.
It's just too tough a nut to crack.
Oh I'm sure that LA is grateful the Beckham put a soccer academy there.
'Shite' and 'pish' are inter-changable with 'stuff' in this context.
I do see that your opinion is based on your own view that you're a stereotypical US sports fan who wants high scores and a win/lose outcome every time - but I think times are changing and with the right marketing approach, you'll discover that American kids are just the same as kids everywhere else.
They'll grow to love football if they are exposed to it as much as kids everywhere else.
We won't know who is right and who is wrong for another ten years, mind
I plan on beating him to death with his kids. I'll use them as a bludgeon on his face. -
--Good for them if they survive.
Use Logic Or STFU!
I agree the marketing has to be there. However, there are a number of things going against the MLS.I'm not saying that you're talking shit, I said that you're talking shite on a message board (in stark contrast with people who put up cash money), which is different. I often say that I post pish - but, of course, I don't mean that the content of my posts is akin to urine.
Okay there are people that think shuffleboard and curling are the shit. So what? Baseball is also the oldest of our big three. Notice also that it is the last of the big three in popularity.
How is it that I'm talking shit when I point out something? Baseball is having a hard time in many areas as well, Rodman. I'm actually hoping that the Nationals stadium and a DC United stadium are successful. I like the fact that I'll be able to go to pro soccer, football, baseball, hockey and basketball matches by just going down the road (or on the subway).
It'll be a nice change of pace.
Looking at the Beckham deal, American marketers mentioned his salary plus endorsements as one deal for hype purposes which was smart. However, when it comes down to it, besides Beckham getting something out it, soccer won't put a decent gain up against NFL football where average attendence is about 70,000 (the Washington Redskins was close to 90,000 even with the ticket hikes), the NBA with and average of about 17,000 across 40 games and the MLB with about 30,000.
It's just too tough a nut to crack.
Oh I'm sure that LA is grateful the Beckham put a soccer academy there.
'Shite' and 'pish' are inter-changable with 'stuff' in this context.
I do see that your opinion is based on your own view that you're a stereotypical US sports fan who wants high scores and a win/lose outcome every time - but I think times are changing and with the right marketing approach, you'll discover that American kids are just the same as kids everywhere else.
They'll grow to love football if they are exposed to it as much as kids everywhere else.
We won't know who is right and who is wrong for another ten years, mind
1. The season starts during basketball season. In fact it's at the end of basketball season when it heats up and then the playoffs.
2. It goes up against the start of baseball.
3. It goes up against summertime which is dreadful for any sport over here. We are busy with travel and all the kids are outta school.
4. It goes up against the beginning of football season.
Hell I remember the tagline at the end of our World Series in baseball.
"Hey guess what everyone? The Cardinals won the World Series."
The problem is that although soccer is the most popular sport in the world I don't think other countries have that many dominate sports.
Hell our college basketball and football seasons are killer.
Over here there is so much different shit to choose from that soccer would have to supplant another sport in popularity. Hmmmm hockey........
Btw, after the lockout, hockey changed their rules to provide more scoring therefore skewing the record books. I wonder if the MLS will get desperate enough to do something like that. Perhaps a bigger goal?
Oh fuck I forgot one of the biggest killers of them all.
Lack of commercials. We are a market driven country. Marketers pay the cost, tv watchers benefit.
Last edited by Busyman™; 01-12-2007 at 06:21 PM.
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What are you talking about. He was replying to manker's post which was in relation to the relative wages of the player's. In which manker pointed out that Beckham would be earning about twice as much a day as most of them earned a year.Bad choice of word there .. it's business, no-one would offer that money if they weren't sure they would earn even more for themselves.
CEOs who bring companies to the brink of disaster and then pick up millions in compensation when they get the sack is obscene.
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en(un)lightened
It is not totally different.Totally different.
There is far more to Beckham than there ever was to Pele, and I'm not talking about football.
AEG, one of the chief financiers here, are also backers of the Beckham Football Academies which will become huge earners over the coming years.
In each case, a foreign player is imported with the intent/hope of improving the game's lot in the U.S.
They certainly aren't bringing him along purely because they can't imagine another investment for their money...I'm quite sure they feel Beckham offers the best chance to popularize the game here.
In any case, considering it's already been tried, Beckham is merely the second candidate for the task, albeit one more suited to play all of the endorsement angles as well, and there is definite merit in his personal efforts through his academy.
I would imagine he'll make a bit of a splash, given his wife (a small property, in the overall scheme of things) and his appeal to women.
I don't see a huge "gold-rush" over your game, though, sorry.
I actually wish it were otherwise, believe it or not.
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Hell yes. It would mean that the plans for the stadium in DC would be a no-brainer since it would then be viable.It is not totally different.
In each case, a foreign player is imported with the intent/hope of improving the game's lot in the U.S.
They certainly aren't bringing him along purely because they can't imagine another investment for their money...I'm quite sure they feel Beckham offers the best chance to popularize the game here.
In any case, considering it's already been tried, Beckham is merely the second candidate for the task, albeit one more suited to play all of the endorsement angles as well, and there is definite merit in his personal efforts through his academy.
I would imagine he'll make a bit of a splash, given his wife (a small property, in the overall scheme of things) and his appeal to women.
I don't see a huge "gold-rush" over your game, though, sorry.
I actually wish it were otherwise, believe it or not.
Right now it's up in the air.
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The average MLS gate now is 16,000, it won't be long before it overtakes NBA. Football is also the biggest participator sport in the US for 8 - 15 year olds.
They showed the Superbowl on English TV some years ago, and for something to do, I got my stopwatch out and timed the actual 'action', that part where the players moved. I started the clock when the guy passed the ball under his nuts, and stopped it when the whistle blew. At the end of the game there was seven and a half minutes on the clock, with the average 'play' lasting around 8-9 seconds. This feast of action took over three hours! No wonder morbidly obese 'brick walls' get to play the game, my grannie could run around for seven and a half minutes in three hours, and she's 107.
How do you know what he meant, did you ask him? And for your information, I know what he was saying, and my answer stands ... the wrong choice of words.
Fake Shemp
Part of me wants soccer to take off in America because, to be honest, it's about time they started playing proper sports. Lets send some of our failing rugby and cricket players over as well and then they can get rid of American Football and Baseball.
However, part of me wants it all to fail because if the Americans becoming a footballing power they might try and ruin the beautiful game like they tried to do in '94 by asking for extra advert breaks, trying to make the goals bigger, proposing scrapping or simplifying of the offside rule and wanting all drawn games decided by penalties. Diana Ross missing that penalty was pretty embarrassing as well.
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You think it's about winning the MLS - I'm quite sure that winning the MLS, altho' kinda desirable, is of little moment to the financiers of this deal.
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