Is this obscene

[Mr JP Fugley]

What are you talking about. He was replying to manker's post which was in relation to the relative wages of the player's. In which manker pointed out that Beckham would be earning about twice as much a day as most of them earned a year.

How do you know what he meant, did you ask him? And for your information, I know what he was saying, and my answer stands ... the wrong choice of words.

Fair enough, it doesn't make sense in the context but you stick by it.

[Ava Estelle]

Fair enough, it doesn't make sense in the context but you stick by it.

Of course it makes sense, he\she used a word in a context I don't agree with, or are you claiming it doesn't make sense to disagree with him\her?

[Mr JP Fugley]

Fair enough, it doesn't make sense in the context but you stick by it.

Of course it makes sense, he\she used a word in a context I don't agree with, or are you claiming it doesn't make sense to disagree with him\her?

Nah, can't be arsed with that nonsense just now, Billy.

[Busyman™]

The average MLS gate now is 16,000, it won't be long before it overtakes NBA. Football is also the biggest participator sport in the US for 8 - 15 year olds.

Americans view soccer as much too boring in comparison and sitting through an entire match will be like watching snails fuck.

They showed the Superbowl on English TV some years ago, and for something to do, I got my stopwatch out and timed the actual 'action', that part where the players moved. I started the clock when the guy passed the ball under his nuts, and stopped it when the whistle blew. At the end of the game there was seven and a half minutes on the clock, with the average 'play' lasting around 8-9 seconds. This feast of action took over three hours! No wonder morbidly obese 'brick walls' get to play the game, my grannie could run around for seven and a half minutes in three hours, and she's 107.

You know very little about the NBA then.

The NBA has 32 teams. The MLS....less than half that at 13.

NBA teams play a whopping 82 games vs. 30 MLS games.

So when you compare the gate, compare home games (41 vs. 15) and the number of games that sustain that average. Also add to that that basketball is an arena game, soccer is a stadium game.

One reason football averages 70,000 per match is because there are only 8 home games per team. Imagine a 70,000 turnout across 40 games. It wouldn't happen.

Regarding football, I somewhat agree. I tivo football games and can usually watch a game in 50 minutes cuz I skip commercials and the 30 of the 40-second play clock. I'm gonna do it today with the playoff games. I just do something else while it records and can usually catch up to the live broadcast.

I remember Dominic Purcell made a remark at the SuperBowl that he loves the game but it has too many stops and starts (he played Aussie football). I do like coach's challenges though. It's just pure drama.

However, football players run at balls out speed for the play then get a 30-40 second rest then run it again (if they go no huddle then even less). Add to the fact that it ain't just about running but pummeling and it's a tough game.

So your grannie...scratch that....you wouldn't last past 2 plays cuz either your head would be knocked off by one of those morbidly obese brick walls or you'd pass out cuz you found out that running as hard as you can ain't the same as a paced run.

Regarding the biggest participator for 8-15 year olds, I can see that. It's one of the easiest games for kids to pick-up on. I played when I was in school too. My little girl has been progressing quite well.

[Ava Estelle]

You know very little about the NBA then.

Really? How do you know what I know?

The NBA has 32 teams. The MLS....less than half that at 13.

So?

NBA teams play a whopping 82 games vs. 30 MLS games.

So?

So when you compare the gate, compare home games (41 vs. 15) and the number of games that sustain that average. Also add to that that basketball is an arena game, soccer is a stadium game.

So?

One reason football averages 70,000 per match is because there are only 8 home games per team. Imagine a 70,000 turnout across 40 games. It wouldn't happen.

It does in England, Manchester United play over 60 games a season, half are home games and every one a 76,000+ sellout.

You seem to be making a big deal here over nothing, I mearly pointed out that the average gate at MLS games was 16,000+, thats more than most professional games in England.

However, football players run at balls out speed for the play then get a 30-40 second rest then run it again (if they go no huddle then even less). Add to the fact that it ain't just about running but pummeling and it's a tough game.

Tough but boring. Rugby, on the other hand is tougher, they don't have the body armour, it's faster, and they run for 80 minutes a game, not seven and a half.

So your grannie...scratch that....you wouldn't last past 2 plays cuz either your head would be knocked off by one of those morbidly obese brick walls or you'd pass out cuz you found out that running as hard as you can ain't the same as a paced run.

Running for 8-9 seconds is harder that running for 90 minutes?

Regarding the biggest participator for 8-15 year olds, I can see that. It's one of easiest games for kids to pick-up on. I played when I was in school too. My little girl has been progressing quite well.

I really don't give a fuck whether the US takes up football or not, as someone said earlier, if they did they'd try to change the rules and make it as boring as the rest of the American sports no-one else plays. World Series!

[Busyman™]

You know very little about the NBA then.

Really? How do you know what I know?

The NBA has 32 teams. The MLS....less than half that at 13.

So?

NBA teams play a whopping 82 games vs. 30 MLS games.

So?

So when you compare the gate, compare home games (41 vs. 15) and the number of games that sustain that average. Also add to that that basketball is an arena game, soccer is a stadium game.

So?

One reason football averages 70,000 per match is because there are only 8 home games per team. Imagine a 70,000 turnout across 40 games. It wouldn't happen.

It does in England, Manchester United play over 60 games a season, half are home games and every one a 76,000+ sellout.

You seem to be making a big deal here over nothing, I mearly pointed out that the average gate at MLS games was 16,000+, thats more than most professional games in England.

No you pointed that it wouldn't be long before it overtook the NBA. I merely corrected the egregious oversight in your comparison. You're welcome.

However, football players run at balls out speed for the play then get a 30-40 second rest then run it again (if they go no huddle then even less). Add to the fact that it ain't just about running but pummeling and it's a tough game.

Tough but boring. Rugby, on the other hand is tougher, they don't have the body armour, it's faster, and they run for 80 minutes a game, not seven and a half.

Football is all about delivering crushing blows. Also you act as if rugby (I'll add soccer also) is constant running. While the clock doesn't stop, both sports have just as many stops but the breaks aren't as lengthy. Run your stopwatch on that. As a matter of fact, in rugby they give a penalty for hitting to fucking hard. In football a receiver has to catch the ball even though he might get blindside cracked by an opposing player.

Even if the ball gets near him the opposition gets a free hit. Sorry bud rugby is not tougher in that respect....NOT BY A LONGSHOT. Imagine going across the middle and some fucker taking a crack at you without you seeing him....and it being perfectly legal....yet you barely touched the ball. You don't wtf you are talking about. I agree that rugby involves more paced endurance though.

What makes football beautiful is that the plays are many times works of art. The long bomb to a receiver down field is a thing of beauty. Plays like the flea flicker, halfback option, the end around, etc make up for the 30-40 second wait.

So your grannie...scratch that....you wouldn't last past 2 plays cuz either your head would be knocked off by one of those morbidly obese brick walls or you'd pass out cuz you found out that running as hard as you can ain't the same as a paced run.

Running for 8-9 seconds is harder that running for 90 minutes?

Regarding the biggest participator for 8-15 year olds, I can see that. It's one of easiest games for kids to pick-up on. I played when I was in school too. My little girl has been progressing quite well.

I really don't give a fuck whether the US takes up football or not, as someone said earlier, if they did they'd try to change the rules and make it as boring as the rest of the American sports no-one else plays. World Series!

We are in agreement regarding whether or not the US jumps on soccer. However it would be nice to go to a match sometimes. I also agree that they might change the rules to gain more of a market. If people start watching though than it worked.

They did that with hockey already (basically moved lines for more scoring oppurtunities) and they've done it numerous times in the NBA....they added the 3 pointer, moved the 3 point line, changed the charge zone, changed the illegal defense call, added the play clock, etc. They did it all in an effort to move the game along. They even allowed teams to advance the ball past half-court after a time-out when under a minute left in the game (I hate that rule although it has provided some intense moments).

[Ava Estelle]

No you pointed that it wouldn't be long before it overtook the NBA. I merely corrected the egregious oversight in your comparison.

You did no such thing, I merely pointed out that if the average gate for the MLS passed 17,000 it would pass the NBA, whatever else you come up with is irrelevant.

While the clock doesn't stop, both sports have just as many stops but the breaks aren't as lengthy. Run your stopwatch on that.

The clock stops in rugby, they get a full 80 minutes of running around.

As a matter of fact, in rugby they give a penalty for hitting to fucking hard

No they don't.

Sorry bud rugby is not tougher

Yes it is, and they don't wear kevlar body armour and crash helmets.

[Busyman™]

You did no such thing, I merely pointed out that if the average gate for the MLS passed 17,000 it would pass the NBA, whatever else you come up with is irrelevant.

Pointing out that the average would overtake then NBA is irrelevant then since the MLS plays less than half the games. dUh!dUh!

While the clock doesn't stop, both sports have just as many stops but the breaks aren't as lengthy. Run your stopwatch on that.

The clock stops in rugby, they get a full 80 minutes of running around.

Mmk. So every time there's a stoppage in play the ref stops the clock. That's different than what I've seen on rugby matches on TV.

As a matter of fact, in rugby they give a penalty for hitting to fucking hard

No they don't.

Again, I've seen that in matches on TV. Now I know about the penalties where you can't pick up the ball while unless you are standing but I've seen them penalize for tackling too hard. I can't say it's the rule book that way but that was how it was on TV. It's pussy rule just like the bullshit roughing the passer crap in the NFL.

Sorry bud rugby is not tougher

Yes it is, and they don't wear kevlar body armour and crash helmets.

Again, the NFL hits are harder, the players bigger, and dynamic of the game is more punishing on the body. Rugby, and soccer for that matter, win in the constant endurance department but there is no comparison when you've got the blindside hits and crushes of the NFL.

One example I've seen is that if a player is running down field in rugby, an opposing pretty much always will try to rap him up to tackle him.

In the NFL, they concentrate on Mack Trucking the running whenever possible. Many NFL try to do this too much and the runner gets away but when it away...ewwwwwwww!

I think this is due to different dynamics of each game. I mean a rugby player then has to release the ball. In the NFL, the opposing player is trying to knock you out to make you fumble and as mentioned before with the receiver going across the middle, many times it's simply to deliver a crushing hit.

All of this with the pads and helmets no doubt.

[Ava Estelle]

Pointing out that the average would overtake then NBA is irrelevant then since the MLS plays less than half the games.

The averages are PER GAME, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the number of games played.

So every time there's a stoppage in play the ref stops the clock.

Yes

I've seen them penalize for tackling too hard.

No you haven't, there's no such rule.

Again, the NFL hits are harder, the players bigger, and dynamic of the game is more punishing on the body.

They have BODY ARMOUR and CRASH HELMETS! How many injuries per game in the NFL, and how many deaths from being hit? Have a look at the injury list from rugby, and the deaths.

[Busyman™]

The averages are PER GAME, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the number of games played.

If a sport had a 2 game season and another had a 80 game season and averages were the same it would be an irrelevant figure when trying to compare.

So every time there's a stoppage in play the ref stops the clock.

Yes

Well that weird. I've seen a team that was leading in score try to take their merry time setting a scrum or on a line-out. I think the clock kept going on conversions too.

I've seen them penalize for tackling too hard.

No you haven't, there's no such rule.

Again, the NFL hits are harder, the players bigger, and dynamic of the game is more punishing on the body.

They have BODY ARMOUR and CRASH HELMETS! How many injuries per game in the NFL, and how many deaths from being hit? Have a look at the injury list from rugby, and the deaths.

I have no idea. I know the injuries would be higher without the pads and helmets. I understand that it takes some toughness to tackle a player with no protection but you seriously over rate football protection.

While helmets alleviate cracks in the skulls, football has concentration on delivering crushing hits versus just simply stopping your opponent and he get hurt incidentally. I've seen some huge hits in rugby but it's not the norm.