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    Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in. Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House.

    Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota. The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived in the library.

    Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources. There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.

    Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states.

    Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves. The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the preferred " booty" of only young women and children could be collected. Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes allow. Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.

    When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Bey of Algiers" -- an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria. Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations. Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors. Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed, he believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy. In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Bey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease. During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Bey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

    For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.

    Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action. In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves. During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy. Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea." It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of the Muslim slave trading pirates. Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem.

    Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in. Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House.

    Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota. The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived in the library.

    Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources. There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.

    Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states.

    Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves. The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the preferred " booty" of only young women and children could be collected. Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes allow. Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.

    When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Bey of Algiers" -- an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria. Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations. Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors. Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed, he believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy. In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Bey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease. During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Bey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

    For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.

    Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action. In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves. During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy. Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea." It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of the Muslim slave trading pirates. Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem.

    Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.
    your people are genuinely unaware of the hypocrisy aren't they

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    j2k4 - Did you write all that? Or am I missing that you sourced it.

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    Kerry, McCain and now Ellison.

    Ole Sampley rides again

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    It's bad form to quote someone's work without acknowledgement, even if you do get lambasted for constant copy and pasting!

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    It seems to have been a selective copy and paste job too ...


    What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
    By Ted Sampley
    U.S. Veteran Dispatch
    January 2007



    Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United
    States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the
    Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the
    United States during his ceremonial swearing-in.
    Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity
    drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the
    U.S. House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of
    Minnesota.
    The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to
    Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of
    America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare
    Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500
    Jefferson books archived in the library.
    Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in
    college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed
    that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be
    gleaned from many sources.
    There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing
    wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time
    Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible
    about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the
    Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and
    Tripoli.
    Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a
    subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but,
    which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who
    over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of
    thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic
    "Barbary" states.
    Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the
    African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and
    seizing slaves.
    The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal
    villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim
    raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and
    women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women
    and children could be collected.
    Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as
    concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the
    sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many
    as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their
    fortunes allow. And since Muslim men tend to be ugly they needed a wide selection of willing women.
    Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to
    create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets
    of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch
    stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary
    surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small
    number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the
    surgery. This is reminiscent of the butchery committed on infant baby girls where their genitals are mutilated to prevent any sexual pleasure.
    When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776,
    American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no
    American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and
    their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under
    the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling
    Algeria.
    Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being
    destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784
    to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress
    appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas
    Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.
    Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the
    Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the
    Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to
    retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved
    sailors.
    Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to
    get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again.
    Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the
    demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the
    medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force
    an end to Muslim piracy.
    In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and
    Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London
    with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador
    to Britain.
    The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on
    Congress' vote to appease.
    During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador
    why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with
    which they had no previous contacts.
    In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future
    presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja
    had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their
    Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who
    should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that
    it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they
    could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as
    Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain
    in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
    For the following 15 years, the American government paid the
    Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American
    ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom
    and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government
    annual revenues in 1800.
    Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he
    dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in
    the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.
    Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense
    but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by
    deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to
    the Muslim Barbary Coast.
    The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS
    Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.
    In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt
    into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the
    freeing of all American slaves.
    During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States,
    crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and
    on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon
    slavery and piracy.
    Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine
    Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores
    of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on
    the sea."
    It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the
    total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.
    Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to
    put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about
    Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn
    about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.. Enemies it seems now to be found in Congress, in the person of Ellison himself who seems not to have known of the actual history of the United States bringing these heinous barbarians to heel. Force is all that Muslims understand, which two Muslim nations have now been accorded.

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    Thanks Ava Estelle. Knew that was plagiarism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ava Estelle View Post
    It seems to have been a selective copy and paste job too ...


    What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
    By Ted Sampley
    U.S. Veteran Dispatch
    January 2007



    Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United
    States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the
    Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the
    United States during his ceremonial swearing-in.
    Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity
    drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the
    U.S. House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of
    Minnesota.
    The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to
    Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of
    America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare
    Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500
    Jefferson books archived in the library.
    Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in
    college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed
    that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be
    gleaned from many sources.
    There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing
    wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time
    Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible
    about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the
    Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and
    Tripoli.
    Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a
    subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but,
    which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who
    over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of
    thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic
    "Barbary" states.
    Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the
    African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and
    seizing slaves.
    The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal
    villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim
    raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and
    women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women
    and children could be collected.
    Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as
    concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the
    sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many
    as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their
    fortunes allow. And since Muslim men tend to be ugly they needed a wide selection of willing women.
    Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to
    create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets
    of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch
    stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary
    surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small
    number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the
    surgery. This is reminiscent of the butchery committed on infant baby girls where their genitals are mutilated to prevent any sexual pleasure.
    When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776,
    American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no
    American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and
    their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under
    the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling
    Algeria.
    Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being
    destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784
    to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress
    appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas
    Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.
    Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the
    Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the
    Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to
    retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved
    sailors.
    Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to
    get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again.
    Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the
    demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the
    medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force
    an end to Muslim piracy.
    In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and
    Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London
    with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador
    to Britain.
    The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on
    Congress' vote to appease.
    During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador
    why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with
    which they had no previous contacts.
    In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future
    presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja
    had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their
    Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who
    should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that
    it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they
    could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as
    Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain
    in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
    For the following 15 years, the American government paid the
    Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American
    ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom
    and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government
    annual revenues in 1800.
    Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he
    dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in
    the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.
    Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense
    but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by
    deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to
    the Muslim Barbary Coast.
    The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS
    Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.
    In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt
    into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the
    freeing of all American slaves.
    During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States,
    crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and
    on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon
    slavery and piracy.
    Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine
    Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores
    of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on
    the sea."
    It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the
    total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.
    Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to
    put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about
    Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn
    about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.. Enemies it seems now to be found in Congress, in the person of Ellison himself who seems not to have known of the actual history of the United States bringing these heinous barbarians to heel. Force is all that Muslims understand, which two Muslim nations have now been accorded.
    Sorry - didn't mean to imply it was my work product, and didn't realize I'd cut Ted Sampley's name off the c & p.

    It copyed with picture links, ads and triple-spacing between paragraphs, and I worked from bottom-to-top rather than the other way around.

    No intent to plagerize.

    So, any commentary on the content of the article, or just snarky stuff about my egregious oversight?
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

    -Mark Twain

  9. The Drawing Room   -   #9
    First post here, just joined this morning. Great forum

    Not sure what the point of the article is really - far as I can see the logic goes something like this.

    1) Jefferson owned a Quran.
    2) Some Muslims were pirates.
    3) ...
    4) All Muslims are evil.

    I think I lost point 3) somewhere in the mix.

  10. The Drawing Room   -   #10
    The bits left out put a different slant on the article, especially this bit ..

    Enemies it seems now to be found in Congress, in the person of Ellison himself who seems not to have known of the actual history of the United States bringing these heinous barbarians to heel. Force is all that Muslims understand, which two Muslim nations have now been accorded.


    As someone already pointed out, the hypocrisy here is mind-blowing!

    Quite what your intentions were in posting it only you know.

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