Stop lying

[TorrentJunky]

I'm lost in this thread!

[Shadowfire]

Yeah ... can people explain to us what you're talking about? Family, scat, invites, friend? (Relation ... ?)

[bunny67]

another smackhead?

[StriderZ]

Haha ok good to see I'm not the only one confused :-P

[walczanin]

[raspberry1331]

this is how is see it: Cindez thinks that when you offer something, it means you dont want anything in return, so he suggests that you should not use the word offer when you want to trade, rather be straigtforward.

i think he is not right, because offer can be used for selling something. in fact offer means the following (for cindez: see 3.b):

1. To present for acceptance or rejection; proffer: offered me a drink.
2.
a. To put forward for consideration; propose: offer an opinion.
b. To present in order to meet a need or satisfy a requirement: offered new statistics in order to facilitate the decision-making process.
3.
a. To make available; afford: The situation offers us the opportunity to learn more.
b. To present for sale.
c. To provide; furnish: a hotel that offers conference facilities.
4. To propose as payment; bid.
5. To present as an act of worship: offer up prayers.
6. To exhibit readiness or desire (to do something); volunteer: offered to carry the packages.
7. To put up; mount: partisans who offered strong resistance to the invaders.
8. To threaten: offered to leave without them if they didn't hurry.
9. To produce or introduce on the stage: The repertory group is offering two new plays this season.
v.intr.
1. To present an offering in worship or devotion.
2. To make an offer or proposal, especially of marriage.
3. To present itself: "This plan was dropped, because of its risk, and because a better offered" T.E. Lawrence.
n.
1. The act of offering: an offer of assistance.
2. Something, such as a suggestion, proposal, bid, or recommendation, that is offered.
3. Law A proposal that if accepted constitutes a legally binding contract.
4. The condition of being offered, especially for sale: thousands of bushels of wheat on offer.
5.
a. An attempt; a try.
b. A show of intention.

[Vercors]

Indeed, Cindez meant that it sounds quite hypocritical to say "I'm offering this" while you actually want something back.

I guess the problem is the french definition of "offer" is slightly different from the english one : in France it would mean making a present, and not presenting for sale (using raspberry's example)

In fact I was having the same feelings about this because I still had in mind that french word, but now I got it good

[Cerise]

Thank you to explain that raspberry
All right.. an offer can be something you present for sale... Fair enough !
Consequently we should ban the offer name That is the answer !!

edit : my english is so bad I admit ! Maybe you've got the word of the end Vercors ^^

[StriderZ]

Haha good clarification... I was about to say that there are a lot of "offers" that ask for something in return... ex. job offers, initial public offerings, sales ($999 O.B.O - Or Best Offer)

[DefX]

Ban the word "offer"?

Everybody here understands that the word "offer" means trade. I mean if enough people are confused by this, then maybe you have a point. But i doubt it.

Besides, if people really wants to give something for free, they'd use the word "give/free".