Thread: 300

**cougar** · 04-04-2007, 06:30 PM

there are not many more stupid movies I saw before. It's not even a good fantasy movie. It just reminds me at those stupid KungFu's in the 70ies.

**askj** · 04-04-2007, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by cougar

there are not many more stupid movies I saw before. It's not even a good fantasy movie. It just reminds me at those stupid KungFu's in the 70ies.

Lol. You're the first one who says that didn't liked the movie.

**Cheese** · 04-04-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bucktoof

sert is right, wikipedia is a very poor reference and is not a substitute for any real book of history or subject for that matter.

I think I'll read up on the Spartans, since I don't know much myself.

But back on topic, the movie was still good

I disagree, it makes for a decent reference for an interweb argument (as proven in this very thread) but I wouldn't use it for a university assignment, if you get what I mean.

On topic: the movie was good but not great, Sin City is the far better of the recent Frank Miller adaptations. I think some of the things the Spartans were spouting about freedom et al detracted from the film for me, I'd have preferred if they'd dispensed with that nonsense (historically incorrect nonsense to boot) and just had a film about two sets of guys kicking the shit out of each other.

**cougar** · 04-04-2007, 11:38 PM

I disagree too, and I hope that Wikipedia is still free for a very long time. That a project like that cannot cover everything in detail, is to understand. But for a quick information (and even more) it is VERY GOOD.

**peat moss** · 04-06-2007, 07:16 AM

Any movie that gets you to want to read or research it ,is pretty good in my book . Probably a director or actor's best complement ?

**sert** · 04-06-2007, 09:22 AM

Movie is good but not so great. I would also rate it 8 out of 10 and I agree with a comment above that Sin City was better.. But keeping in mind that it’s based on a comic and is not a based on the historical facts, some of them are:

- 300? No way. 300 were only the native Spartans, i.e. the men born and raised/trained in Sparta. About 300 more were warriors from other Greek villages, kidnapped as teenagers or kids from their villages (or more rarely went to Spartan to become fighters on their own will) and raised and trained in Sparta. These warriors although not typically called Spartans, they were trained under the same pressure with the original Spartans and some of them became as tough and skilled as the Spartans (although never had the same rights)

- Well do you believe that they were sharing only a couple of apples after so many weeks of war and walking though mountains? They were accompanied by tens of servants, mules, cooks, chief-cooks, providing them the necessities to fight the huge Persian army. These servants actually fight next to the native Spartans the last couple of days, as the loss of Spartans was huge. I read that only a couple of servant personnel survived as well as one non-native fighter all of them extremely injured. All of them were carrying fresh provisions, stores, spares etc all the way from Sparta.

- Do you believe that the Spartans were fighting continuously 20-24 hours per day? Of course not, who can do that? They were supported by fighters from nearby villages with an estimate number of 400-700 some of them untrained (as per movie) but some of them great warriors and brave men, who fought until the last day.

- Spartans fighters with beards? No way. The movie just showed the world’s idea of ancient Greeks. However Spartans didn’t have beards.

- Efialtis, the traitor (English translation: nightmare). This has never been proved on the contrary most historians don’t believe at him (although some do). At least he couldn’t be Spartan in any way, as Spartans not accepted new borne babies with any kind of genetic anomaly, believe it or not they were killing them instantly (by throwing them of the highest mountain "keadas"). It may sounds cruel and unacceptable by today’s societies but that’s the way the best army created some thousand years back.

The question that every Spartan was asked to answer from kid, was: what is the opposite of fear?