Will the US or Israel attack Iran?

[Ava Estelle]

Did you actually bother to check why Israel struck first?

I don't give a fuck why Israel claim they struck first, you intimated that Israel was attacked in 1967 and they weren't.

The real reason they attacked was the political pressure to colonise the West Bank because of the water aquifers, and the annexation of the whole of Jerusalem.

In spite of the UN resolutions, Israel refuses to leave the illegally occupied territories.

You can put all the spin on that you like, it makes no difference, Israel is the most hated country in the world, and deservedly so.

[bigboab]

Did you actually bother to check why Israel struck first?

I don't give a fuck why Israel claim they struck first, you intimated that Israel was attacked in 1967 and they weren't.

The real reason they attacked was the political pressure to colonise the West Bank because of the water aquifers, and the annexation of the whole of Jerusalem.

In spite of the UN resolutions, Israel refuses to leave the illegally occupied territories.

You can put all the spin on that you like, it makes no difference, Israel is the most hated country in the world, and deservedly so.

I think J2 would disagree with that. Did you forget about America.

[Ava Estelle]

I think J2 would disagree with that. Did you forget about America.

You think j2 hates America?

[bigboab]

I think J2 would disagree with that. Did you forget about America.

You think j2 hates America?

No, but he likes them to be the top/bottom of any international tables.

[tralalala]

Did you actually bother to check why Israel struck first?

I don't give a fuck why Israel claim they struck first, you intimated that Israel was attacked in 1967 and they weren't.

The real reason they attacked was the political pressure to colonise the West Bank because of the water aquifers, and the annexation of the whole of Jerusalem.

In spite of the UN resolutions, Israel refuses to leave the illegally occupied territories.

You can put all the spin on that you like, it makes no difference, Israel is the most hated country in the world, and deservedly so.

Wow who brainwashed you..?
You're giving me speculations from here till tomorrow.. If you want a real good speculation, go watch "Loose Change" about 9/11.

The fact of the matter is that if Israel hadn't struck, they would have lost tens of thousands of troops and civilians. It's obvious that there was a reason. Israel doesn't strike for nothing you know. We'd be happy to give up fighting, it costs us too much.


And I bet you if you had to ask which people prefer - Israel or Palestine, most would pick Israel. Palestine is a totally f***ed up so called "state", with people at the top not giving a toss about people at the bottom. As I have said before, you are too far away to know what they are about. I know that in Oz you barely get a glimpse at what's going on around the Middle East, I have family there, that barely heard of the second Lebanese war, so please.

I've been living in a war for too long, an ongoing conflict I want an end to, but the other side is ignorant (not saying Israel isn't, but unfortunately Arabs see human life as a little worthless thing).

[Ava Estelle]

If you want a real good speculation, go watch "Loose Change" about 9/11.

That just about sums you up, anyone who'd believe the bollocks from Loose Change would believe the moon was made of green cheese.

The fact of the matter is that if Israel hadn't struck, they would have lost tens of thousands of troops and civilians.

Irrelevant, you said you were invaded in 1967, a common lie the Israelis have used for forty years. You can squirm all you like, it was a lie.

And I bet you if you had to ask which people prefer - Israel or Palestine, most would pick Israel.

No way, the polls have already been done, Israel was quoted as the most unpopular country in the world. No matter how many polls you look at, Israel is always in the top three hated countries, Palestine never is, the truth is, the world hates you.

As I have said before, you are too far away to know what they are about. I know that in Oz you barely get a glimpse at what's going on around the Middle East, I have family there, that barely heard of the second Lebanese war, so please.

More bollocks, you have ignorant family in Australia, so Australia must be too far away ... how old are you? You talk like a six year old. You claim to be 16, if that's true then I've spent more time in the Middle East and Asia than you have, and all as an adult. I've lived among Muslims for many years, something you haven't, so don't waste your breath telling me what they're like. I've also worked in Israel, long before you were born, and have friends who were in the Israeli Special Forces, something you'll never do. With the internet and satellite TV everyone is close to what's going on, how close you live is totally irrelevant, one of the sillier remarks you've made.

I've been living in a war for too long, an ongoing conflict I want an end to, but the other side is ignorant (not saying Israel isn't, but unfortunately Arabs see human life as a little worthless thing).

Israelis are the ones who see non Jewish lives as worthless, as you do, your racism is barely below the surface.


You really are full of it, you make outrageous claims and then go quiet when you're proved wrong, like claiming Israel no longer demolish houses, among others. I suggest you either look at both sides or admit you've been brainwashed all your life.

[tralalala]

Wow.. someone's a little pissed aren't we?

When did I say Israel was invaded? They never were, but were going to be.

The world hates us? So what? I hate Bin Laden.. I hate plenty of people. I hate Kramer from Seinfeld, so? What's that got to do with anything? Just because you hate someone doesn't mean you need to kill 'em like the PA thinks right.

The closer you live does make a difference. The day a suicide bomber bombs himself somewhere near you (and I hope it doesn't happen), you'll understand the difference of being behind a screen and thinking you're close to it, rather than looking straight into the face of it.

Why do you say Israel thinks Jewish lives are worthless? We are the ones handing out hundreds of PA prisoners for 1 or 2 captured soldiers/civilians.. meaning every 1 Jewish life for us is like 500 Arab lives for them. So who thinks it's more worthless?

I haven't gone quiet.. That's why I keep talking back.. that's what a discussion board is for.

Brainwashed? We all are. Parents brainwash kids. Governments brainwash people (Nazi Germany ring a bell?).. Everyone is brainwashed, there's no mind in the world clean of brainwashing...

[Ava Estelle]

When did I say Israel was invaded? They never were, but were going to be.

You said every war after 1949 was a reaction to the last defeat.

The closer you live does make a difference. The day a suicide bomber bombs himself somewhere near you (and I hope it doesn't happen), you'll understand the difference of being behind a screen and thinking you're close to it, rather than looking straight into the face of it.

This has nothing to do with being informed, you said that because your ignorant relatives were uninformed all Australians must be.

Why do you say Israel thinks Jewish lives are worthless?

Learn to read ... show me where I said that?

I haven't gone quiet..

Yes you have ... does Israel still demolish Palestinian houses?

I've had it with you, your racism is coming to the surface and I'm not interested.

[j2k4]

Stop it j2, you're making me blush, I've told you before to keep the gushings to PMs.

You, on the other hand, have opposed me on literally every point I've tried to make during our mutual history here, save a singular agreement about one Bill Gates, which fact, considering your anti-capitalist bent, I marvel over to this very day.

So I've opposed you ... as opposed to you having opposed me? Cute! Then you stick me with an anti-capitalist label, which is quite a laugh really as I've never, ever, said anything against capitalists or capitalism.

As to the question of who is opposing whom, I would assert that whoever shows up last in a thread is the opposer.

I would further posit that, nine times out of ten, I post before you do...that makes you the opposer.

Feel free to check it out.

Now, I may be wrong on occasion, more-or-less depending on your political views, but I don't think anyone here would venture that I have been wrong as often as you would have them think.

I can't say I've actually kept count of the times you were 'wrong', opinions aside, but you do yourself no favours with your constant quoting of Fox News, which is always wrong, biased and with an unashamed right-wing agenda. As you rarely quote the middle ground it would be pointless arguing a middle ground agenda with you, hence the left-wing bias, as you see it.

While you're confirming my above-stated assertions, you may as well tot up the number of times I actually have quoted Fox News; you will find, I'm guessing, that it would be something less than once or twice out of every ten times I quote anything at all.

You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but you should acknowledge you are aware that that is all they are, and to use them as cudgels is not an apt strategy for influencing others, which is, after all, why we do this, right?

I find this the most amusing part of all, as you suggest I actually claim my opinions are not opinions at all, but 'truth'. Do you add a rider to your posts pointing out they are only opinions?

If, while you are attempting to prove my other points wrong, you count the occurrences of the phrases "I think...", or " I believe...", or even "In my opinion...", you will find my posts rife with them.

I challenge you to find, oh, let's set the bar really low...let's say, five instances where you've used any such words, in the entire archive or your posting.

So what was the point of this thread j2? Was it just a little whinge because you don't like opposing views? It seems to me that everything you accuse me of I could quite legitimately claim of you, as I'm sure you'd agree.

What is the point of your question?

If you'll check, this is not even my thread.

I merely wanted to point out that you are wrong as to your own counter-assertions in answering my posts here, and I believe I can safely say that is fact, and not just my opinion.

[Ava Estelle]

What is the point of your question?

Careful j2, your slip is showing!