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    j2k4's Avatar en(un)lightened
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    ...ginning up false evidence regarding Iran's nuclear intentions.

    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=19740
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    So what's new? They 'ginned' up plenty of 'evidence' with regards to Iraq's nuclear weapons program, so they've had plenty of practise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ava Estelle View Post
    So what's new? They 'ginned' up plenty of 'evidence' with regards to Iraq's nuclear weapons program, so they've had plenty of practise.
    Well one stark difference is Saddam saying he doesn't have them versus Ahmadinedjad (whateverthefuck) saying they are getting nuclear 'capability' and adding that they'll wipe Azrael off the map.

    I guess if Saddam had just said that he was using ricin to make milk shakes he'd have been left alone.

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    A big difference here : Iran claims to have fired its first rocket into space.

    "The rocket was carrying material intended for research created by the ministries of science and defence," the head of Iran's aerospace research center, Mohsen Bahrami, told Iranian TV.

    http://www.playfuls.com/news_004983_...nto_Space.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman™ View Post
    Well one stark difference is Saddam saying he doesn't have them versus Ahmadinedjad (whateverthefuck) saying they are getting nuclear 'capability' and adding that they'll wipe Azrael off the map.
    Two mistakes there busybody; first, Iran claims their nuclear ambitions are peaceful, including uranium enrichment, they have never claimed to be acquiring nuclear weapons; and second, they have never 'threatened' to wipe Israel off the map.

    Apart from that ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ava Estelle View Post
    they have never 'threatened' to wipe Israel off the map.
    Did you break your google at all (at all).
    “Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that.” -George Carlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ava Estelle View Post
    they have never 'threatened' to wipe Israel off the map.
    Did you break your google at all (at all).
    Why don't you prove me wrong?

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    Barely a day goes by that one can avoid reading or hearing yet another Israeli, American or British warhawk regurgitate the broken record that Iran’s President Ahmadinejad threatened to “wipe Israel off the map,” framed in the ridiculous context that Israelis are being targeted for a second holocaust. This baseless rallying call for conflict holds about as much credibility as Dick Cheney’s assertion that Saddam Hussein was planning to light up American skies with mushroom clouds.

    Today it’s the turn of would-be future British Prime Minister David Cameron, leader of the Conservative Party, who repeated the “wipe Israel off he map” fraud in a speech at the World Economic Forum in Dav’s, using it to qualify his refusal to rule out a military strike on Iran under a Tory government.

    Did Ahmadinejad really threaten to “wipe Israel off the map” or is this phrase just another jingoistic brand slogan for selling the next war in the Middle East?

    The devil is in the detail, wiping Israel off the map suggests a physical genocidal assault, a literal population relocation or elimination akin to what the Nazis did. According to numerous different translations, Ahmadinejad never used the word “map,” instead his statement was in the context of time and applied to the Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem. Ahmadinejad was expressing his future hope that the Zionist regime in Israel would fall, not that Iran was going to physically annex the country and its population.

    To claim Ahmadinejad has issued a rallying cry to ethnically cleanse Israel is akin to saying that Churchill wanted to murder all Germans when he stated his desire to crush the Nazis. This is about the demise of a corrupt occupying power, not the deaths of millions of innocent people.

    The Guardian’s Jonathan Steele cites four different translations, from professors to the BBC to the New York Times and even pro-Israel news outlets, in none of those translations is the word “map” used. The closest translation to what the Iranian President actually said is, “The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,” or a narrow relative thereof. In no version is the word “map” used or a context of mass genocide or hostile military action even hinted at.

    The acceptance of the word “map” seemingly originated with the New York Times, who later had to back away from this false translation. The BBC also wrongly used the word and, in comments to Steele, later accepted their mistake but refused to issue a retraction.

    “The fact that he compared his desired option - the elimination of “the regime occupying Jerusalem” - with the fall of the Shah’s regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel. As a schoolboy opponent of the Shah in the 80’s he surely did not favor Iran’s removal from the page of time. He just wanted the Shah out,” writes Steele.

    “It’s important to note that the “quote” in question was itself a quote, writes Arash Norouzi, “they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.”


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    Is that David Duke, the white supremacist, didn't he used to be high up in the KKK. Wasn't he also a holocaust sceptic.

    Or is it a different David Duke.
    "there is nothing misogynistic about anything, stop trippin.
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    the US should go round the world building people nuclear power plants if they don't trust people to make their own

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