It seems the U.S. is...

[j2k4]

As a stand-alone proposition, then, what do you feel the world-at-large ought to be prepared to do to prevent, say, a loony like Kim Jong-Il from acquiring nuclear weapons (never mind he already has them)?

[Snee]

But you having nukes won't stop him from having them, that's the thing.
If anything, you having nukes is an incentive for him to keep them.


To be honest, it's beyond me how this can be solved. But I don't think things are working now.

I'd like to say that you should set a good example and get rid of yours first, make some kind of treaty with every other nutter, but...

EDit: a noone-can-have-them kind of treaty, I mean.

The Israelis wouldn't agree to it, tho', to mention one nation.

[j2k4]

But you having nukes won't stop him from having them, that's the thing.
If anything, you having nukes is an incentive for him to keep them.


To be honest, it's beyond me how this can be solved. But I don't think things are working now.

I'd like to say that you should set a good example and get rid of yours first, make some kind of treaty with every other nutter, but...

EDit: a noone-can-have-them kind of treaty, I mean.

The Israelis wouldn't agree to it, tho', to mention one nation.

Well, with the dirty-bomb-terrorist thingie, even SDI/Star Wars doesn't make a lot of sense.

The nation/kooks right now are doing all they can to demonstrate a predilection for dealing with terrorists in order to make a strike...terrorists as a delivery vehicle, rather than a MIRV, for example.

It works for them, and destabilizes our foreign policy into the bargain.

That last makes us (the U.S.) real popular right now, doesn't it?

Knock Bush all you want, but a democrat would be similarly flummoxed.

[Busyman™]

The "we get rid of ours, they'll get rid of theirs" won't work for obvious reasons.

It's quite silly to think all countries have the best intentions.

Let's face it, the reason that people don't want Islamic countries with the bomb is due to the nutjobs we see blowing themselves up along with 30 others in a mosque.

So when we hear Ahmadinejad say anything about wiping out Israel, it doesn't help his case.

People can talk all they want about what is fair. The "we have them, they should be able to have them" bit doesn't fit the real world and it's a typical liberal attitude (not as in party) that I don't share.

Those liberal attitudes will get a nuke in your ass but alas you were being....fair.

[Snee]

But you having nukes won't stop him from having them, that's the thing.
If anything, you having nukes is an incentive for him to keep them.


To be honest, it's beyond me how this can be solved. But I don't think things are working now.

I'd like to say that you should set a good example and get rid of yours first, make some kind of treaty with every other nutter, but...

EDit: a noone-can-have-them kind of treaty, I mean.

The Israelis wouldn't agree to it, tho', to mention one nation.

Well, with the dirty-bomb-terrorist thingie, even SDI/Star Wars doesn't make a lot of sense.

The nation/kooks right now are doing all they can to demonstrate a predilection for dealing with terrorists in order to make a strike...terrorists as a delivery vehicle, rather than a MIRV, for example.

It works for them, and destabilizes our foreign policy into the bargain.

That last makes us (the U.S.) real popular right now, doesn't it?

Knock Bush all you want, but a democrat would be similarly flummoxed.

True, anyone would have a hard time dealing with it. But it doesn't help that Bush is one scary motherfucker (and not in a good way from anyone's perspective).

As for fanatics, I don't reckon having nukes as a deterrent will work on them. It might work on people who would arm them, and send them off. But really, to the wrong sort of person, impending retaliation just means more martyrs for the cause.

And then there's the problem of proving that one particular nation is reponsible for that particular act. In the worst case possible, you get nuked, retaliate and end up blowing up the wrong nation, thus antagonizing (what's left of) the rest of the world, and messing up a good chunk of the planet in the process.

And then there's the ethics involved in wielding such weapons against a dictatorship (the favourite scene for any self-respecting nutjob in the business), where like 90% of the population had no say in hitting you in the first place.

From that perspective it seems nigh on insane. Millions of us get killed, so we'll kill millions who had nothing to do with hurting us, just to get even.



Really, the way I see it, there are weapons that will devastate nations, used to scare off a minority currently inside of large populations.


That's just the way I see it tho', I have no solution.

I just had to type this all out twice, 'cos I had a wee crash, and it wasn't any fun at all, so it feels like I'ma call it a night, now.

[j2k4]

Aye - me, too.

[Mïcrösöül°V³]

....run by a retard.

in the words of forest gump........"thats all I have to say 'bout that"

...and hell, I live here. Great country tho......run by a retard

[Busyman™]

Sorry if anyone thinks I was misquoting Billy, I was doing it from memory so I may have got it wrong, not the sentiment tho'.

Anyway, as luck would have it here's the whole thing

I'd just love to see Israel destroyed, maybe their god will come back and do to them what he has done many times in their history. Israel is a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. The Nazis certainly taught them well, there's nothing like a practical demonstration to get the message across. l dread to think what the place would be like today if six million of them weren't killed, they'd be waging war across the whole Middle East.

You decide what it means. I'll be concentrating on Billy posting "Catholics are all cunts".

Rafi, hope that explains why he treats you the way he does.

Funny that that quote seems to have slapped Ava with a smathering of STFU in this thread.

[Ava Estelle]

Funny that that quote seems to have slapped Ava with a smathering of STFU in this thread.

That MISquote have done nothing of the sort, and I have no need to answer, again and again, someone who supports an organisation that spirited Nazi war criminals out of Europe and covers up the crimes of paedophiles.

I could post anything here and claim JP wrote it, it would prove no more than his crap does.

Now, busybody, take your own advice and STFU!

[j2k4]

Sorry if anyone thinks I was misquoting Billy, I was doing it from memory so I may have got it wrong, not the sentiment tho'.

Anyway, as luck would have it here's the whole thing



You decide what it means. I'll be concentrating on Billy posting "Catholics are all cunts".

Rafi, hope that explains why he treats you the way he does.

Funny that that quote seems to have slapped Ava with a smathering of STFU in this thread.

Well, if you stir shit with a short-handled spoon, you are bound to get it all over yourself.