your thoughts on Pay2Leech sites?

[wildbytes]

I wouldn't donate since:
a. I pirate media because I lack that money.
b. Personal information logged etc.
c. File-sharing is exactly that. I don't want to pay off a tracker cause I can't keep a ratio the orthodox way.

Just remember this... If no one donates to help pay for these sites, then 95% or better would be gone. Then what. Most people dont have scene access to get things. there is always newsgroup but most will see if you dont pay, will slow speeds and wont be able to get files older then 3 to 7 days depending on your isp...




Wild

[blackfog]

I wouldn't donate since:
a. I pirate media because I lack that money.

But donating a mere amount of 5-10$ wont hurt that much considering the amount you download in a month.

c. File-sharing is exactly that. I don't want to pay off a tracker cause I can't keep a ratio the orthodox way.

I agree to that. pay2leech is kind of lame , and donations should come automatically from the members , as a way to say 'thanks' to the site and moreover supporting the site financially. At the same time , "I wont donate , 'coz that's what filesharing is supposed to be" is also a lame way of thinking.

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PS: I know, members dont donate like that, but the best community I have seen is at ScT: their dontation bar ( of 400 euros or something ) becomes full at the middle of the month normally, and they give only a star for donating.

[Melvinmeow]

theres some1 here that can back this but pisexy makes $40,000 mo via "donations"

I do know he pockets alot of the donations. There has even been several complaints about him through paypal and other sites he has used to receive donations in the past. Last estimate figure I heard was $10,000 a month that goes to the inner pocket fund, which I believe to have been an amount mentioned in a scene notice a few years back.

As far as how much goes into a site.
On the webservers alone we spend between $200 - $300 a month. I plan on adding an additional server soon as well which would increase that slightly.
Those figures mentioned by me and wildbytes are stricktly for the webservers alone. That does not count the figures if the site uses seedboxes to host alot of the files as well. Which would ussually cost more than the webserver does monthly depending on how many boxes they have hosting files and the speeds of those lines as well. We spend roughly between $1000 - $2000 a month on our boxes. (Over 3/4 of those figures come from staff or uploaders who share the same uplinks. I wont give the exact figure we spend a month but you get the idea.) If we spend that much on a small site like mine then what does a site like TL use when they have a whole lot more bw and boxes seeding the files?
Of course sites like PI that dont even use seedboxes making so much profit doesnt make other sites that acctually do use all the donations that are brought in look very well. Youll find most of the small sites dont really even make enough in donations to pay the monthly bills. I know LegendaryT's staff like mine pay for alot of the servers monthly bills. We ussually get enough to cover the webserver on my site, anything left over goes for upgrades or addition bw/other stuff for our seedboxes. I ussually pay for most of the hardware out of my own pocket. Theres alot of us in these communities that do what we do for the joy/fun of it. Just because some people are out there for the profit side of the buissness doesnt mean we all are.

P.S. On the sidenote, youll find most sites dont acctually keep logs of what you donate anyways. Paypal and other payment methods have logs, however, if the site was ever raided by the FBI, ect... they dont have any jurisdiction to check any financial info through paypal unless the owner of the account gives them permission to do so.
(I know this from personal experiences I had with 2 agents last year. They asked for permission to view my paypal accounts info and I denied them access to it and there wasnt really anything they could do about it once I said no.)

[aburyach]

Does anyone know how much TL makes? They have like 90,000 (or more?) users and a bunch (maybe ~10,000?) so-called "VIP's".

[nikmash232]

there is nothing wrong with it it keeps the site running

damn tht's good..

[N@LiM]

I used to be against the pay2leech conept till few days ago but after chatting with a mod at a pvt tracker I have changed my opinion atleast against few pvt trackers like TL etc . They really have a lot of money to be paid for abndwidth etc and so they need this money..

Also the posts above of Wild and Melvin confirms the same facts..

btw was not aware of PI making so much money. Also as ppl said above that PI uploades etc don't have seed boxes then how come we get good download speeds from there..

[gbilly72]

Upload credits are fine, but I'm wary of VIP free leeching. That's because I have two 100M servers and I feel like I'm already contributing in a big way (bandwidth is money). I guess for any pay2leech sites, I may stop seeding earlier.

[wildbytes]

I used to be against the pay2leech conept till few days ago but after chatting with a mod at a pvt tracker I have changed my opinion atleast against few pvt trackers like TL etc . They really have a lot of money to be paid for abndwidth etc and so they need this money..

Also the posts above of Wild and Melvin confirms the same facts..

btw was not aware of PI making so much money. Also as ppl said above that PI uploades etc don't have seed boxes then how come we get good download speeds from there..

Some users might have seeding boxes and i am sure alot of the uploaders have seeding boxes, but i am sure 90% or more dont have scene access...

Wild

[N@LiM]

Some users might have seeding boxes and i am sure alot of the uploaders have seeding boxes, but i am sure 90% or more dont have scene access...

Wild

i c.. probably thats the reason for their long pre times

[Mïcrösöül°V³]

this sort of thing dont bother me until the site starts splattering vip crap all over the place, like 2 pms a day, it gets annoying. BS was one of those sites, but im no longer a member there, I just let it go, got too annoying.