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Thread: Don't ask don't tell

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    Ok so it looks like the old "don't ask don't tell" policy which allowed homosexuals to serve in the military as long as they kept their sexuality a secret may be replaced with allowing homosexuals to serve full stop.
    This has caused a deal of outrage in certain parts of the political spectrum.

    it's estimated that currently there are 65,000 homosexuals actively serving their country with about 1 million homosexual veterans. Since 2005, more than 800 personnel have been discharged from “critical fields” ...... jobs considered essential but difficult in terms of training or retraining, such as linguists, medical personnel and combat engineers not because they failed to do their job, but solely because it was discovered they were homosexuals.

    24 nations already allow homosexuals to serve, 12 of which are involved in "operation freedom", all without their military suffering any negative impact on morale, cohesion, readiness or recruitment.

    So if it works for other countries why not the US military which is claimed to be the finest. Is it so weak that knowing someone serving is a homosexual will bring it down? I mean they have been allowed to serve and have done so honorably since 1993. Even Hannity called a soldier a great American, thanked him for his service and said semper fi (not that hannity has served, let alone as a marine). I wonder if he would have done so if he knew that soldier used to be a gay porn star?

    Isn't this more about bigotry than what is best for the military?

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    I think they should be separated but definitely allowed to serve.

    I think it is a distraction within the same unit/barracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman™ View Post
    I think they should be separated but definitely allowed to serve.

    I think it is a distraction within the same unit/barracks.
    The point is that they have been serving in the same units. how would you separate them and why?

    What do you honestly think those big brave marines, those that risk their lives are afraid of ? That the queer could turn out to be more heroic???????

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman™ View Post
    I think they should be separated but definitely allowed to serve.

    I think it is a distraction within the same unit/barracks.
    The point is that they have been serving in the same units. how would you separate them and why?

    What do you honestly think those big brave marines, those that risk their lives are afraid of ? That the queer could turn out to be more heroic???????
    You would separate them if they admit to being gay.

    It has nothing to do with being afraid. It has to do with distraction.

    This goes to the core of don't ask don't tell but I think it's wrong to kick them out of military.

    With don't ask don't tell there is no distraction in that case.

    To your last, WTF?!

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    If there's problems in team sports can you imagine the crap in the military barracks . I have an idea make a gay unit and send to the front lines , problem solved . I'm being facetious as yes they should be able serve their country but keep your sexual orientation private , Private .

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    Quote Originally Posted by peat moss View Post
    If there's problems in team sports can you imagine the crap in the military barracks . I have an idea make a gay unit and send to the front lines , problem solved . I'm being facetious as no they should be able serve their country but keep your sexual orientation private , Private .
    I think there should be gay units. However, the problem is with people like that general who said homosexuality is immoral.

    Would he send the "gay unit" to the front lines over a straight unit? That would be fucked up.

    I simply have problem with a war veteran soldier who risks his life for this country ultimately getting kicked out of the military simply cuz he's gay....as if what he sacrificed means shit cuz he likes the menz bunghole.

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    We could call them g-units, for short.

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    What distraction are they?

    we don't separate jews because the redneck hates his religion, we don't separate coloreds because of racists, we don't separate atheists because some with religion think that no belief is immoral.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snee View Post
    We could call them g-units, for short.


    Quote Originally Posted by vidcc View Post
    What distraction are they?

    we don't separate jews because the redneck hates his religion, we don't separate coloreds because of racists, we don't separate atheists because some with religion think that no belief is immoral.
    You do separate women from men though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman™ View Post

    You do separate women from men though.
    what does that have to do with anything? Are you suggesting that homosexuals would be chasing all the straight soldiers? Are you suggesting that all the straight soldiers think that every homo wants to rape them? Are you worried about emotional ties? well what about the "brothers in arms" bond, you could suggest that the emotion is different but then who is to say that a particular homosexual relationship is anything other than just sex? Allowing them to serve openly would remove the "security risk" involved in blackmail we hear used as a reason to ban them so much as well

    Now if you are thinking about sexual harassment cases then how would that be any different from heterosexual harassment.

    I have yet to hear of a single reason given that couldn't be applied to another group that is allowed to serve openly.

    The evangelicals are claiming they not only have the right to serve openly as christians but also to try to convert others, is that not a distraction?

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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