Smoke Or Not To Smoke

[Chip Monk]

Every person who smokes in their home subjects the other members of their family to the effects of passive smoking.

I know at least one person who drinks Stella, but rarely beats his wife.

I think you are cross-arguing, because I don't remember arguing with you, that second hand smoke does not affect other people in the vicinity of the smoke.

my original post> i do agree that second hand smoke is bad, but here in the states, one of the first smoking bans to become famous was the california smoking ban, which banned it from pubs. my logic is this, if you are that terribly concerned about your health, why are you in a pub? you like the peanuts? most people drink in pubs, and yes i agree that's less invasive because unlike the smoke, that doesn't affect the non-drinking people in the pub. but i do think that a smoky pub is an incentive for the patrons not to stay there all day and drink their life away, which is a good incentive imo. other public places bans are different, i agree with those, except outdoor ones that's a little h4rsh considering the smoke mostly just goes up into the atmosphere. /

what i was arguing was this:

quote> There is nothing which is analogous with smoking.

So why do people keep trying to debate this issue by analogy. /

I then drew an analogy between smoking and drinking, because you had claimed there was "nothing analogous with smoking", by saying this:

smoking is something that many people do, to lighten up and relax

drinking is something that many people do, to lighten up and relax

so the similarity is in the motivation, although the means are different /

~sweet dreams

That's just a mess. Both in presentation and in reasoning.

It is perfectly possible, indeed normal for people to have a drink without adversely affecting anyone else. Whether that other person is drinking or not. How old or young, healthy or infirm that person is.

The same cannot be said when one smokes in the presence of another person. If you smoke in the presence of another poerson, you adversely affect them. Fact.

They are therefore not analogous in the context of how they effect other people. Which is the point, when discussing whether smoking should be banned in enclosed public places.

[MediaSlayer]

They are therefore not analogous in the context of how they effect other people. Which is the point, when discussing whether smoking should be banned in enclosed public places.

Would it make you feel better, if I admit to you, that it's a weak analogy? You see, the problem with an absolute like "nothing" is that it corresponds to the number "0". That is to say, that only if there were 0 similarities between the two (and therefore not satisfying the definition of "analogy") would it be correct to say "nothing is analogous".



and btw, it was you who inspired all this pedantic behaviour in me in teh first place.

methinks u created a monsta'

[Barbarossa]

Things are either analogous or they aren't. There's no middle ground.

[Chip Monk]

You have to bear in mind the context.

If we were discussing the reasons people smoke, or are unable to quit, then I may have to look at your analogy with drinking and think again. There is no doubt there are similar reason for each.

However we are discussing the ban on smoking in enclosed public places. This being because of the direct effect it has on other people. Which is the basis upon which I consider your analogy.

I'll give you this, it's a weak analogy. However I have to go on and say that it is weak to the extent that it serves no useful purpose in the debate.

[Chip Monk]

Things are either analogous or they aren't. There's no middle ground.

I've given him "weak analogy", by way of encouragement.

[MediaSlayer]

Things are either analogous or they aren't. There's no middle ground.

You mean * is black and white? i fear such!!!!!!


@jpaul - it's a deal. if i had a smilie for it, it would be the one where i'm extending my hand as if to shake on it : )

[Barbarossa]

I wonder what the world would be like if you drank tobacco and smoked alcohol



I'm having a 100% moment...

[Barbarossa]

@jpaul - it's a deal. if i had a smilie for it, it would be the one where i'm extending my hand as if to shake on it : )

This one?

[Chip Monk]

Things are either analogous or they aren't. There's no middle ground.

You mean * is black and white? i fear such!!!!!!


@jpaul - it's a deal. if i had a smilie for it, it would be the one where i'm extending my hand as if to shake on it : )

:chapeau:

[MediaSlayer]

@jpaul - it's a deal. if i had a smilie for it, it would be the one where i'm extending my hand as if to shake on it : )

This one?

I RESENT THAT SMILIE!!! :hrrmmph:






edit: who knew i would need my boxing gloves in the lounge? whateva happened to lighthearted dingleberries and n00bs