Censorship

[insanebassman]

I am deeply in tune with nature. I do not gain pleasure from the animals I kill, nor the ones I eat, because of thier death. I, instead, see the lesson in mortality. The deeper touch into the nature of all creatures. We must live, we must die. In some cases, we must kill, or be killed. I do not suggest I would die without the deer, elk or rabbit etc. that I have killed, and eaten, in the past. What I do suggest, is that it allows me to become one of the animals I hunt. To let go of "civilization" for a week and walk in the wild is a priviledge. (sp?) But it is not truly understood until all the trappings are removed. No tent, no stove. Just you, your weapon and the wild. To truly become one with the natural surrondings, you must be merciless, like mother nature is. I do not inflict undue pain. I kill like the wolf, or the lion. I immediately incapacitate my prey and see to it they die. No more, no less. No suffering. I then get about the business of cleaning, dressing and processing my kill. I forget that I am a man, and become a natural creature of the world that birthed me. I commune with the trees, who thank me for the blood that hits the ground and feeds them. My senses are sharper. My taste is enhanced. I can feel the life of the forrest run through me as I live as it lives. I become what I was meant to be, were it not for "civilization". I live as my ancestors did. For that brief time, I am beyond man.

That is nature. To live and die in the wild. I would happily give myself over to the wild if I knew where one could live unmolested by the world. I will teach my daughter these things as I have learned them myself. I am not a butcher, or a nazi. I am a hunter and prey in one. I kill using primative weaponry. I own guns, but do not use them for hunting nearly as much as the bow. I used guns primarily as a youth, do not get me wrong, but now, it is the bow. I eventually plan on using a spear and knife as my spear skills develope. One day, if I am blessed, only a knife will be my tool.

I do not like being this human I am, and desire something pure. The wolf is pure, the lion, the panther.... They live true to the laws of mother.

[crazy_billy_bats]

Originally posted by PB Montgolfier+4 June 2003 - 21:17--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PB Montgolfier @ 4 June 2003 - 21:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Lamsey@4 June 2003 - 21:11
@ summerlinda -

@ PB Montgolfier - (sorry, couldn&#39;t resist saying that again)

You still haven&#39;t answered the Vegan question tho&#39; neither has Linda.

I know people who claim to be vegetarian who eat fish btw.

So bottom line, can you say that you don&#39;t exploit animals in any way - leather shoes, rennet, eggs, milk etc.

I still think it&#39;s h4r5h (if that&#39;s how you spell it here) to liken farmers to Hitler etc. It means that you equate human life to that of a cow and I&#39;m sorry but I can&#39;t agree. Neither I would suspect would the 6,000,000 Jews or their families who were the victims of the holocaust.

To each his own I suppose. [/b][/quote]
*OUCH&#33;*

[summerlinda]

Yes but are you a vegan.

Do you wear leather shoes. Do you eat cheese with rennet (excuse the spelling) do you in fact exploit animals in any way.

Don&#39;t push it PB.....
At least we [vegetarians] do SOMETHING to help, and yes we are hypocrites sometimes, its hard not to be, you must live a very strange life in order to avoid all animal related products, because, even the pc we all have, is made of plastic, and that plastic is tested on animals....... So unless you go live in the forrest, eat plants only, we are all guilty. But some MORE than others&#33;

As for me, i support 3 kinds of animal/environmental organizations by donating money.
I don&#39;t eat meat, ill try to buy biological eggs and milk etc.
I buy cosmetics that is not animal tested [i must not lie, not all things, but most of them]

I&#39;m a hypocrite, because i do have leather boots, and i do use medicine [when needed] etc etc etc................. but ill do my best, and it feels good&#33;

[Rat Faced]

When the guy goes one on one with the animal, or the animal learns how to use a rifle and is given one to use......


......THEN i&#39;ll call it &#39;sport&#39;.

I have nothing against hunting for food etc....but the &#39;sport&#39; sickens me.



This is turning back into the hunting topic, and i have to admit I had to put my twopenceworth in there too.



Please, no more for/against hunting.....

The Topic is &#39;Censorship&#39;.........please dont make us censor it again

[Lamsey]

- People who eat fish aren&#39;t vegetarians.

- I have stated whether or not I am a Vegan, albeit implicitly. I eat eggs, cheese and milk --&#62; I am not a vegan.

- I do not believe that the production of these (if organic and free range) is unethical.

- I do not equate cow life to human life, but I do not believe that they have any less right to live. Noone ever gave us the right to deal death as we see fit. If a cow killed a human and ate it, there would be outrage and as humans we would protet ourselves. Cows cannot protect themselves from the slaughterhouse, therefore as intelligent beings we have a duty to protect their lives where they cannot.



edit: sorry, Rat Faced. Didn&#39;t see your post before I posted this. Will stop now under Mod orders bedient:

[PB Montgolfier]

I agree RF has spoken, perhaps we can discuss our relative values elsewhere

I have a thought BRB.

[summerlinda]

One last thing and will be out of this thread:

neither has Linda.

1]Its hard for me to tell what i want, to express myself, because English is not my language, its frustrating i can tell you that. I would love to debate, but I&#39;m restricted, that makes me a lousy debater

2]These subject make make me utterly mad, so i better stay away from them

[nahan]

Originally posted by Lamsey@4 June 2003 - 20:52
- These are (among others) the reason he is under Moderation.

If we all agreed on every topic that would make the world a very boring place,and the forum for that matter.

Who are you lamsey to judge ones intentions ?
There is enough things on the forum that I deem offensive,but I dont feel the need to go crying to the mods about it.
But if something offends me here or anywhere else I simply do no go there,
or return for additional visits like Lamsey .I .e the endless porn and alcohol
threads,even thought the vast majority of underage members.It all sets a worse example than hunting.


For all the things I am guilty for, so is he among others.
In alot of way I was provoked by others to say the things that I said.

The hunting topic was meant to be a disscussion for those who hunted or had thoughts on hunting.Which was what happend until Nicholas was attacked and as you can see from the numerious insults,he took his joke to the extream.From one little joke all the way to his sig.
For all the things he is guilty for so are many memebers in this particular thread, among others.There is no denying it.
Go ahead and look it over.

[Lamsey]

Who are you lamsey to judge ones intentions ?

A man who believes that he has the divine right of denying life to others has no right to be self-righteous.

Read Rat-Faced&#39;s post. This topic is closed, whether you like it or not. Don&#39;t make them lock it.

[nahan]

Originally posted by Lamsey@4 June 2003 - 23:51

Who are you lamsey to judge ones intentions ?

A man who believes that he has the divine right of denying life to others has no right to be self-righteous.

Read Rat-Faced&#39;s post. This topic is closed, whether you like it or not. Don&#39;t make them lock it.

The topic is CENSOR SHIP&#33; ,therefor I will speak free on the matter.

Where do you get this idea of yours of a man denying life to others ?

Animals dont count ,and is only your opinion not fact.